Roger Mellie

Adelaide what? Football Club or 36ers or whatever the basketball team is

This is funny! Let me add some fuel to the fire: I hear Jack Watts is off to Carlton Or was it Port Adelaide

I'd like next year's first pick to be involved conditionally if that's at all possible. Ie. if he gets back to full fitness they get next year's first pick plus whatever we offer this year. If not, we don't get as spectacularly bent over, as we might have been giving them this year's kitchen sink.

Any club would kill for O'Meara. The problem is, will he ever play again with half his knees missing and a reco?

Thanks Viscount. I should try looking more often with my eyes open. A nice lead into the other game.

I'm looking forward to seeing this but can't find any info about the game being televised. All I can see is Collingwood v W on 7 from 12-3pm tomorrow. This would make more sense given the amount of coverage received this year to date (as well as the fact that it's just W)

Howe will try to get to the filth. Unfortunately for him, their recruiters don't just look at the Melb v Collingwood games and might have stumbled across a dozen or so games of indifference.

OK so far, we can't recruit him because 1) Jumbo says he's a spud - thanks for the insight! And, saving the best for last: 2) Fence logic says we can't because he's South Australian, sooo, he must be a spud Thank god we've got that sorted out

I thought he was great in his first year or two. Injured for the first half of this year at least, IIRC I'd be happy to have him here.

Lachie Plowman

Jack Redden in the Lions B & F (Mullet-Murray Medal) from 2014 to 2011: 2014 - 12th 2013 - 3rd 2012 - Eq 4th 2011 - 3rd

Or, maybe they just wanted to have a look at him / throw him in the deep end. I think he acquitted himself pretty well under fairly trying circumstances and as a stick insect kph in his first year. I'd like to see White too and thought we might have by now but I'm not angry and fixated about it.

Matt Jones is a late challenger to Grimes for the Paul Hopgood Trophy

Like x 100 It would be novel to use Toumpas in a sentence without Wines as a starting point

Did you miss last week? I'm slightly relieved (hardly satisfied) we put in a better effort than last week and that our trip west wasn't just to check out end of season footy trip options.

I don't think you'll find too many on this website that would rate him above waste of space/tool/biased/clueless I could elaborate if need be

6 to 1 Viney (disposal improving out of sight) Cross (had consigned to the scrap heap after last week) Salem Gawn Garland Grimes

Would it be fair to say Samael, that your avatar is a dog with a watermelon helmut?

Had we played like this last week, we would've trashed the bloooooos - it's not saying much, but sometimes just competing and better ball movement (amongst the multitude of errors) is enough to beat a rabble, had the players bothered to get a feel for the game. Great that the commentary clowns picked up that Spencil wasn't there in the last quarter, after leaving the ground in the 2nd. Better effort than last week but that's about it

In the Hun today (or yesterday) it says if Treloar leaves it will be for the deal that best suits the club. It would be nice if that's not all bluff as it would bring us right back in the picture and unfortunately Essendon (until they offer a second round pick) and Carlton.

No doubt the Dees will swoop in late "Buddy" style with Treloar's signature.

I think it's be Parish or Curnow

This is from a Tiger Supporter on 'Big Footy' dropping in to the Melbourne board. There are interesting parallels: Hey guys, I think there is merit to the causal framework Paul Roos hinted at this week (with poorly chosen words). I experienced it with my club 6-7 years ago with Terry Wallace and 25 years of failure. Paul is right when he says the negative expectation from the bottom feeds up and affects the players' psyche. However, they shouldn't blame supporters, as they've been loyal and are merely reacting to what has been dished up on-field for 10 years. It's not your job to set the culture. And therein lies the vicious cycle. The team losses, the supporters develop accurate, realistic expectations... and these filter up and over time make it even more difficult for the club to break the cycle. It's a negative feedback loop and it's nobody's individual fault - it accumulates gradually over time in response to reality. How to break the cycle? I don't think Paul Roos has the answer. He can identify the problems though, which is a start. At my club, there were a string of moments around late 2009/2010 that changed the way I perceive the club. I can distinctly remember one very powerful shift in my own personal mindset that was a result of action taken by Brendon Gale: - In 2010, with 9 years of no finals and we were labelled worse than Fitzroy and had 9 losses to start the season with a percentage of like 47%... he came out and said "we will not be asking for a Priority Pick at the end of the year. We're responsible for our positions and it's 100% our responsibility to get us out of this mess". I was like what?! Surely we deserve a PP!! We're the worst performed team over 25 years!! I also felt a little warm at the boldness of that "we need no help" attitude. Over time, it paid off more than some PP kid. Another thing that caused a shift to my thinking was this: - Gale consistently went at great lengths to NOT blame the past admins/coaches. He gave heartfelt thanks to everyone who has tried to help our club return to glory, acknowledging they didn't have the environmental conditions to get the best out of themselves or others, but their effort was to be applauded. He didn't mention names (never said "Terry Wallace" publicly after 2010) and made supporters feel more appreciation and understanding towards those who have failed us. (Eg, Terry Wallace had to paint the walls himself, cos we couldn't afford a painter... "our fault" as a club, not his). Comments on forums changed in tone after this... but only gradually. Here is an example of how difficult it is to change the bottom-up expectations of supporters: - When we made finals in 2013 for the first time in 12 years. In the lead up, I remember everyone on forums was freaking out about us somehow finding a way to lose and embarrass ourselves and miss finals at any moment. Even when we were 3 games clear with 5 rounds to go, literally 95% of the supporters were refusing to say we're in. Our captain continually spoke in a defeatist way to the media (partly to stop the media saying we're getting ahead of ourselves) by saying "we won't even think about finals until it's mathematically impossible to miss". - In 2014, at 3-10, we all thought the sky had fallen. It was same old Richmond. Sack Dimma, cleanout the list, tank for picks, start again. Then we beat a bottom 4 team. Damn! We went up a spot on the ladder... then we beat the Giants. Damn! Dropped another spot higher on the ladder. Then we beat Carlton, North, Crows, etc and we stopped caring about the draft picks and just enjoyed the winning feeling for a change. Then we beat Sydney in Sydney for 9 straight to make finals. Wow. That was the moment. That was the moment a lot of people at the club said "I'm never doubting this club again". - In 2015, we started at 2-4 but you know what? We'll be right. Most likely make finals, but won't make top 4 damn. Then we play unbeaten Freo in Round 10 and you know what? I tipped Richmond to win. We won. Beat Sydney, Hawthorn, etc... great, and so we should. Spewing we're just making finals and miss out on top 4 by 1 game. Go into every game expecting to win or compete now. On the forums, there's maybe 10% of posters still freaking out about missing the finals by losing every game by 20 goals and missing out on percentage... but they're now shouted down by the vast majority who have a belief in the club to say "of course we'll make it stop being negative". The shift has been enormous... but it took 5 years, and even now there's hints of it by the minority. After 4 years with Dimma/Gale, it took a miracle 9 game winning streak to make finals to change our minds somewhat (and even then, not completely). This required a 'get ourselves out of it' mentality that didn't reward a draft pick culture. Most posters complained about all those meaningless wins and meaningless finals loss to Port last year. It's taken until our third finals series in a row this year to stop most of that... and it could come rushing back if we miss next year. After we lost 1 game to West Coast in Round 12 this year, I saw about half our supporters reverting back to their old negative ways. But then we kept winning, and they reacted with strengthened confidence. It won't be a quick fix for you. Ultimately, the fans merely react to the actions of the club. The solution MUST come from the club. It starts before you start winning, so it requires the club to come out with a plan to subside negative expectations/blame coming from supporters for 2-3 years, to enable the players a chance to break the negative feedback loop and have a greater chance of winning. Paul Roos was supposed to give you guys that hope. He succeeded on the back of his reputation early on, but where he's failed is with his constant distancing of himself from the club, therefore breaking the following golden rules: - Demonstrate shared responsibility - Encourage supporters to applaud those who tried and failed in the past (no blame-shifting to the past) - United mindset that accepts responsibility on behalf of others (like the psychological concept of Jesus Christ dying on behalf of humanity to absolve everyone of our sins... lol...), the leaders must be willing to unfairly accept disproportionate blame in order to free everyone else of the burden! Sorry for the lengthy post. I'm just posting casually, but I do have serious ideas about this topic and hope you enjoyed reading the experiences of a similar club that seems to have finally broken their cycle. Read more at http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/mfc-victims.1109053/page-4#m84msTIOSKEyL3Dw.99

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Gawn - tapped to Carlton Howe - trade value plummets N Jones - must be injured Salem - no class shown MFC - Taking the [censored] Cross - record-breaking dropped marks/fumbles (Q1)