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Lock it in.

If we were to take him on a two year contract what would it take in terms of a trade with the Crows?

So much confusion. Broken down in its simplest form “if we’re being honest”..... Lets remove the +’s and the -‘s and just have ratings of a, b , c and d. If Dusty and Fyfe are an A, then Oliver must be a B. That would put Petracca as a C. Then based on last years form where does that put Jones and Hibberd. 95 % of our list were C and D grade this year.

I’m guilty of being seduced.... I was waiting for a full phantom draft to see what other small forwards were available if any this year.

I’ve got no idea who he is, I’ll look him up. I just keep reading how the talent will drop off, that and I miss the days of Flash. Thought he’d be worth a look.

For those in the know.... Would he still be around at pick 26?

Well at least we know nice and early.

Exactly, yet so much discussion is centred around Frost’s disposal and his run and carry which often results in turning the ball over. We should also be discussing a replacement for Hibberd and Salem taking the game on more and becoming more attacking.

Also a reminder to the players and the so called leadership group.

For all of the stats that are thrown up about him and the “in the best five forwards in the competition” I just don’t see where that translates on game day. I know I’m always critical of him and I acknowledge he’s improved but for technically a no.1 draft pick with his talent I believe he leaves his supporters, well some of his supporters wanting. Barring major injury he has no excuses not to dominate games next season. No more “he did some good things” or was “on fire in the first before doing nothing for the next three quarters”. We’re going to get an easy draw so it will be interesting to see how he performs. Once a goal kicking coach is appointed Petracca should be the first player lining up for lessons.

The thread is titled “gun” forwards.

Regardless of whether we land him or not as has been mentioned on other threads by others and myself, I would also like to get if we could through the draft young Kysaiah Pickett or similar with a second round pick.

Don’t agree with this at all. I’ve often said I’d love to know what our players are on, comparing our list to others we are clearly paying overs for sone and/or paying based on potential, or because of a feeling that we owe someone. We’ve done that for years now.

I still think half back but we need someone as equally or more skilled with speed on the other flank, giving us options and harder to defend against. The Giants at times last week tried to continually go through Whitfield and were found out because of it.

Leading in to the start of last season was the “predicted best 22 thread”. 3/4 of posters had all of May, Lever and Oscar in their back 6. Then Frost came in and held his spot all year, there were even games when all four were available and Oscar didn’t play. Now according to some we only need a fit May and Lever as tall defenders. Also surprising is the lack of the conversation about the players around Frost this year, for if they were more up to the task we might not even be talking about this.

Appreciate that Hibberd is still contracted, doesn’t mean we have to play him though. But we will....need some list rotation to keep things fresh.

That an easy draw rjay, though I would like to make finals on the back off beating some of this years finalists not just the bottom teams twice.

As mentioned earlier who’s plays on the two talls that some teams have? Lever May Jetta Salem Frost ? Hibberd can go, I’m personally over him, he’s 30 next year and it will be the last year of his contract. Too slow and not currently doing enough. We need to look to the future, then we’ve got Jetta who’s contracted for two more years. I think it’s better to start blooding someone new off half back next season and then look to replace Jetta the year after that. If we use pick 3 in the draft on someone quick that can kick the footy he could be used off half back with stints through the midfield. I’d prefer Frosty stay, he most likely won’t but regardless we also need to move on some other players.

Tomlinson does nothing in the GF against the Tigers and you describe it as “Like every other Giants player out there, being overawed by the occasion.” Tigers would of most likely destroyed any other team last Saturday, and in the process make a lot of players look second rate. Was it after that performance that the Giants were happy to let him or go or had that seen enough of that earlier in his career? In last years preliminary final loss to WCE who went on to win the flag, we got destroyed in similar fashion to the Giants last week. The Eagles would of most like destroyed anyone that week and Kennedy would of kicked at least 4 on anyone with the amount of supply he had that day. Darling had his best season kicking 59 goals 18 behinds. He kicked multiple goals on multiple defenders, most likely even against teams that competed in the finals. In a season where the team as whole capitulated Frost is one of a handful of players that played well. He may of been beaten on occasions but he also shutdown his fair share of forwards.

Apologies, I’m confused. I thought that’s what I was getting out. What did you think I said? Or do you mean that by his turnovers he creates goals for the opposition hence not stopping them? And against if that is the case what is everyone else doing?

Agree to disagree on Frosty Wise, Frosty can play on more than just the KPF. I believe we could have May, Lever and Frost in the same side if we got more creative/damaging drive from our two back flankers and wingers.

In response to Nick Dal Santo : Why is Frost the problem? What is the primary role of key defender? We have a key defender that can on his day beat the best fwds in the comp, his speed is an asset when attacking the footy to spoil a mark or chase down an opposing player. He also uses his speed to run and carry and break lines, this does result in a lot of turnovers. Why does Frost continually do this? Can we either work with him on his disposal or make those around him accountable? What exactly is Hibberd good for? How did people view his season? Salem his generally a good user of the footy but how damaging is he? Does he take the game on enough or does he play it too safe? Surely there’s room for his game to go to another level. Couldn’t agree more, primary job of a key defender is to shut down opposition key fwds. He does in spades.

Wasn’t there a few games when May, Lever and Frost played together?

That’s currently the case for the majority of the list at the moment. I think it would be a fair guess to say we’re paying a few based on potential or their name.

If Joel Smith is fully fit and gets a good run at it, how would his game compare to Tomlinson?