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I haven't missed the point at all.

Someone doesn't agree so they're automatically wrong.

What I don't like is that our club still try's to get itself up for certain games. I'm sick of hearing that the Collingwood game is our biggest game of the year. We have players who still don't come to play every week. We need to set ourselves for every game, when did we last beat Hawthorn/North/Port/Eagles?? We can't simply wait until these teams slide before we think we're a chance. Any player should debut when he is ready not be held back for some trivial reason. If it just so happens to be against Collingwood or should we make finals this year or next so be it. I'd rather play a first year player who has earned the right rather than go with a senior player who has had years to perform and deliver nothing. 90% of talent on this list is 23 or younger.

Did you read the bit where he suggests the new stadium could be the new home of the MFC.Faaaaaarrrrrrrkkkk off it will be.

Why isn't Weitering a forward? Great mark, reads the play well...., in a write up about Schache it talks of accuracy on goals. Everyone grows up wanting to be the forward who kicks the goals. Carlton also need a forward line, I think the order is far from settled.

I think Carlton will take Schache.

I read it as one post.

It was an off the cuff comment. Pick 1 in any draft is better than a compo pick around the 13/14 mark.

12 months on that trade isn't as silly as sounds. Would Crows settle for pick 1 this year?

Is that because of no interest from other clubs?Very expensive depth player. What will be different next year? Next year could well be his last in the game.

The club doesn't see him as a third tall. They went hard for a lynch. I don't think any of us really know how deep the draft goes. I think someone's said yesterday Roos would part with him for a top 20 pick. Roos is smart enough to know we will struggle to get a first round for him. Take anything up to 40 and let him be someone's else's problem. He will not star at another club.

You can add the reported 400k to that BB.

Watts 196cm 88kgLynch 192cm 87kg I think Watts is gone, we made a play for Lynch and failed. Let him be someone else's problem. The contested mark stat is interesting, how many years on the list?

I agree that we can't have a repeat of last time but there's a big difference in the quality of who we moved on last time and Howe/Watts/Grimes. Plus we have young players who are more accountable for their actions and are determined to win. In the worst case scenario that we can't move them on, if we have a full list to choose from Watts and Grimes are no longer best 22 for mine. As much as he frustrates me Dawes looks to be safe for 2016.

Only to be negotiated down to the mid to late 20's.

So it's a top 20 pick then.

I think it's fair to say that all the junior comps around the country are well run but some kids for whatever reasons don't respond to the system their in but for geographical reasons are stuck in that system for the duration of their junior career. If kids are competitive and can use the footy good clubs will teach them how they want them to play.

Appreciate the info but you did say that was pre season. Fast forward 8 months and after insipid performances against Essendon and Carlton and I would be very surprised if another 6 aren't moved on. I agree about the stability and players being familiar which each but there's still 6-7 players who need to be removed in a hurry.

With regards to trading/free agency it's all about who's available. I'm surprised Richmond didn't chase Garlett. I think part of them not chasing was they were setting themselves for Treloar this year. For each club learning is different. Richmond still managed to beat Freo/Hawthorn/Sydney. They were in their final for the first 3/4. I don't think it was personnel issues for them as much as it was mental. That's three first round exits in a row. Should they make finals again next year, regardless of who they bring in this year the pressure on them to win a final will be enormous.

1 - must be a natural competitor2 - elite skills 3 - footy smarts Not being smart but the successful clubs have been drafting kids with those traits for years.

Playing in finals would give players an idea of how the pressure is different and how certain rules are relaxed or in the case of last weeks games overruled. But just because your playing in a final doesn't necessarily mean you will learn.In your opinion what have North and Richmond learnt over the past couple of seasons. Some of our players are so stupid they obviously thought that by Roos coaching that it would translate in automatic wins, they forgot the part that they have to learn, evolve as players and sadly in some cases try.

Four winsLast year 1 - Essendon, enough said. 2 - Cats, a team in decline. This year 3 - Richmond, chokers, jump at their own shadows come September. 4 - Sydney, severely undermanned. I think the Dogs got more out of this final series than North. That's the way I look at it anyway.

Our club needs only to look as far as the Hawks on Friday night, yes they sung the song with gusto but there was no North Melbourne like carry on. We get wrapped up by winning a home and away match then get flogged the following week. That's why the mentally weak/scarred non competitive players on our list must be removed ASAP.

Wasnt it you yesterday saying "Because that's what I meant....FMD"? Wasn't that your response when someone misinterpreted what you said. Maybe you haven't misinterpreted mine maybe we just look at football differently. Teams that were hoping to make finals last year but didn't in Suns/Giants/Pies plus let's add the Doggies who did make it and teams that were a little way off like us and the Saints(I didn't include Port because they had an off year and will bounce back) Now if any of those won those two finals being Richmond and Sydney to me you could say they have improved this year. Norths home and away season consisted of 2 wins over Essendon/Lions/Geelong, a 9 point win over the Eagles early in the season and a 11 point win over Fremantle late in the year. It also includes routine losses to the Hawks and a full strength Sydney, an absolute drubbing against Fremantle when they were steamrolling sides early in the season and late season losses to the Suns and Dogs. I remember hearing late in the year North have won 7 straight and then you look at who they played. They made a prelim last year after beating the Bombers by 12 and Geelong by 6 before having their pants removed by Sydney. That's why in the finals thread after North beat Sydney I said "look at the players carrying on, look at Brayshaw and Scott carrying on, getting around handing out high fives and touching each other. Where were the leaders saying calm down we haven't achieved anything yet". Richmond defeated Freo/Sydney/Hawks all at close to full strength on their home grounds but finals are different. They were destined to choke again and they did. Vickers who kicked 6/7? against the Pies only weeks earlier couldn't hit them from 20 out straight in front. The Tigers of old had returned to haunt themselves as many predicted. North managed to bumble across the line only coming good late in the game. Then North played Sydney minus Buddy/Reid/Parker/Jack plus Lewis Jetta who was already trying on Freo's jumper and cooked players in Shaw/Goodes/McVeigh and Richards. To be honest that was the only final game I missed but from all reports the game was a mess with both sides making simple errors and poor skills on display. North surprised a lot of people including myself against the Eagles but they lost. Yes there were some bad umpiring decisions that went both ways. Now maybe this is just me because most teams do it but North and Richmond play for the most frees, throwing their heads back/ducking in tackles of trying to barge their way out of congestion head first. Norths final campaign was drew big donuts, as I previously said had they played Dogs/Crows week 1 or Hawks week 2 they would have been knocked out earlier. 16 other clubs will hope that Richmond and North don't change their coach and again pick up the scraps with regards to trades/free agency because that will mean more of the same from two of the biggest pretenders in recent times.

Cant agree, doggies will take another step, port will be back, then you've got Hawks/Eagles/Freo if they trade well. North just scrapped into 8th. Their first two wins in the finals didn't mean much in my book.