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Absolutely awesome, not sure where to start. I need to watch the replay. Couldn’t be happier right now. Brayshaw was massive. The Weed.

When do tickets for Geelong’s home final go on sale?

When was Hogan in a form slump this year? Leading into QB he had kicked 10 from his last two games and 31 for the season. He then kicked donuts against Collingwood and Port Adelaide, then went on to kick 3, 2 & 4 goals in his following 3 games. There’s a difference between a form slump and getting beaten by a better opponent.

With Frost’s pace, athleticism and all round general improvement could he not play on mid size forwards as well as talls? I think your first back 6 is not only great defensively but also would generate a lot of drive from the back half. Frost was massive against the Giants. With regards to the forwards I think three is too many. TMac must be the deepest fwd.

Obviously not the way anyone wanted his career to end. I loved the way he went about it, all the best in the future B.V.

Perceived value. He’s a 50 goal a season player who’s yet to hit his prime, he’s arguably the best young forward in the comp, a contested footy beast. He’s easily worth 1-1.2 million a year. Three tall forwards isn’t sustainable IMO.

The amount of money will be the end of the story IMO.

For his last contract Hogan held all cards, the go home factor and his potential was there for all to see. No one is doubting he he has talent, the debate hinges on how much, and is that talent good enough to impact big games. There are two sides to this discussion, those that continually state how many goals he’s kicked, marks he’s taken and then those that point out that they are largely against sides which won’t be playing next week. Those that say “imagine how much we would of beaten the Eagels by if Hogan was playing” and those that thought his absence would actually strengthened our chances of winning because of our teams dynamics changing. Our victories this year against Eagles/GWS this year and Crows/Eagles last year are surely more than just a coincidence. Obviously that doesn’t mean we win every game Hogan’s not in the side but it’s something we as supporters and footy department are fully aware of. Why is it that our midfield which apparently is largely to blame when Hogan plays poorly is so instrumental in our victories when he’s not playing, have we seen Hogan’s best? For supposedly the best young forward in competition he has some big flaws in his craft. Is there any chance he’s not the player we all thought he’d be when we first drafted him. His career will be and his next contract should be determined by his performance’s in big games.

Surely Brayshaw has to be up there, on top of his clearance work he’s starting to kick the odd goal running into fwd 50. Really interested to see how Frost’s form continues as we enter the finals. Obviously in no ones top 5 players but if he can build on his current purple patch he will find himself getting a game every week. I think we could play Lever, Oscar and Frost together.

You forgot to mention Oliver stands up in big games.

Dylan Shiel, get it done.

Something that I don’t think anyone has considered is money. He’s 24 next year and in the last year of his contract, obviously none of us know how much he’s on but it would be fair to assume it would be quite substantial. Part of his contract would of been based on potential and the go home factor. This next contract should be naturally larger and his “payday”. But if his inability to perform in big games continues or a potential move to defence was to occur (I can’t see this happening, I think he would change clubs to where he could play forward) then he would/should be offered a contract that reflects his worth to the team. This could result in a significant difference between what we’re offering a what another club may offer.

How would Hogan go on Buddy, Ben Brown or a Joe Danniher type. If the answer is for Hogan to play in defence that actually strengthens the argument to trade him and a trade should be sought before any such move was to happen. If Hogan was to play in defence it would be an admissioyn of defeat. The no.1 trait of a key defender isn’t contested marking or kicking, it’s the ability to beat your opponent. That can be by out marking his opponent, but it can also be by punching/spoiling the footy. In order to be at the contest you also have to have the physical attributes to match up against some of the games best forwards. Hogan is a great mark leading up onto the ball but that doesn’t necessarily translate to outmarking fwds that just up at the footy. As for kicking, yes Hogan uses the ball well when passing by foot while others such as Frost and Omac often get criticised by their disposal but that’s why we’ve got the likes of Salem and Lewis down there. All players are required to kick the footy but there have been numerous times in most games where the ball could/should be passed off to our better users of the footy. In short I’d rather another gun mid than Hogan playing at CHB.

Agree with this, but with this comes a significant pay drop.

I wasn’t aware of the interest from Essendon. I would do that deal without hesitation.

So he played hurt against the Suns for what reason?

With regards to TMac Jaded I don’t think we honestly know what his maximum output is. We’ve never seen him at FF for a whole game, let alone a whole season.

Please read my post about who’s he’s kicked those goals against, again players are judged in the big games.

I just posted earlier to Jaded, I would target a Giants mid, maybe a Cognilio (24 years old) or Whitfield (24 years old) or Shiel (25) Kelly (23) doesn’t matter if they’re in contact because as we know they can be broken. Giants get the picks from the Hogan trade allowing them to attack the draft again for top end talent. Giants still have Scully, Ward amongst others, if the price was right we might be able to squeeze one out. Then for Peter Wright we could trade fringe players/ 2nd round picks. Would Peter Wright kick 50 goals, probably not, but with another gun mid he could get 30-35 as well as playing ruck. But on the flip side we leave TMac at FF and he could get anywhere between 60-70. If these scenarios or something couldn’t happen I wouldn’t trade Hogan purely for picks that we keep.

Players will ultimately be judged in the big games, so right now Hogan is not a gun. As for suggestions we should be bold, target one of the Giants gun mids, we don’t need more picks. Any picks would go straight to the Giants. Then as I’ve mentioned earlier target a Peter Wright who is from Melbourne and was out of favour earlier in the year. He could play fwd and chop out Gawn in the ruck leaving TMac to play permanently as our deepest fwd.

Who’s mentioned trading purely for picks, we should be targeting a ready made player and on trade those picks.

Round, opponent, score, disposals, marks Round 1 : Geelong 3.0, 16 & 3 Round 2 : Brisbane 5.1, 22 & 9 Round 3 : North 1.2, 26 & 7 Round 4 : HAWKS 1.1, 24 & 3 Round 5 : TIGERS 2.2, 22 & 9 Round 6 : Bombers 2.1, 8 & 5 Round 7 : St.Kilda 3.1, 25 & 7 Round 8 : Suns 3.0, 22 & 8 Round 9 : Carlton 1.1, 15 & 6 Round 10 : Crows 5.0, 20 & 11 Round 11: Bulldogs 5.1, 19 & 10 Its at this point here people were saying he’s in AA form. 10 goals 1 from his last 2 games with a 31 for the year so far. The stage was set for something special on QB, and we got this.... Round 12 : PIES 0.1, 17 & 3 Round 13 : Bye No need to panic it was just a one off, or was it.... Round 14 : PORT 0.1, 12 & 2 Round 15 : Saints 3.2, 15 & 4 Round 16 : Freo 2.3 19 & 7 Round 17 : Bulldogs 4.1, 18 & 9 More goals against weaker clubs and all is forgotten again. Hold on.... Round 18 : GEELONG 1.1, 14 & 4 Rd 19 : Crows 1.0, 10 & 4 After yesterday’ loss many are now saying he’s been playing injured for weeks, so to help him recover the gets him to line up against the hapless Suns. Round 20 : Suns 4.1, 22 & 10 Not bad for someone playing injured. But then again as some have already alluded to, a lot of players are carrying injuries this time of year, it all depends on whether or not it suits your narrative. Round 21 : SWANS 1.3, 19 & 4 The games where the opponents names are in capitals are games where he needed to deliver. You could go into it more and look at how many of those behinds were easy misses, or like yesterday his disposal efficiency which was yesterday quite low. We are yet to play the Giants or the Eagles but looking at that the games against the other 5 top 8 sides and Geelong who are currently 9th there is a clear trend, and that is he goes missing in big games. Again, he’s not the player many thought he was going to become. The club should be open to trading him but we don’t need more kids, line up and a ready made player and make it a three way trade.

How hard is it? We’re being told he was in AA form at the halfway point of the year. Which teams has he dominated against, and where are they on the ladder?

Well look who it is, the self appointed Sheriff of Demonland. Care to answer the question?

Just as he is a excellent mark leading up the ground, but struggles when the ball comes in high or in pack marking situations but spends more time deep than TMac. On the other hand TMac takes the big marks and today aside is a better shot on goal yet it he who has to go down back or into the ruck. Would love to see TMac left at FF for the rest of the year.