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What’s this “down on form” garbage, why can’t people say he was beaten on the day by a better opponent or team structure”? Its like “He was in AA form at the half way point of the year” or “he’s a gun” then a few games later “he’s still developing” or “he’s about to peak”, which one is it? The in comment now is “Weed’s only really had the one big game”, we’ll at least he has stood up in big game for us.

For arguments sake let’s say we are only going to play two key forwards next year. TMac is clearly our no.1 fwd option so let’s compare Hogan to the Weed instead. It’s hard to compare numbers (ie goals scores) when Hogan has played 71 games to the Weed’s 20 so let’s look at key criteria for key forwards. - Contested marking in a 1 on 1 situation - Contested pack marking - Set shots on goal - Ability to perform in big games - Aerobic capacity - Defesive pressure I would have Hogan ahead of the the Weed in 2 of those categories, contested marking 1 on 1 and aerobic capacity. In another year or two the Weed will have developed his body more and be able to hold his own more. How goid will the Weed be with another 50 games behind him. With regards to shots on goal I didn’t bother looking at goals - behinds ratio because unless Hogan is near directly in front he looks to pass it off. I understand we have a team rule that at times players always look to pass to someone in a better position. Key forwards at crucial times in games need to be able to go back and earn their money. His set shot routine needs work and he’s joined the list of players who snap the ball around their body when 15 metres out on a slight angle. This was started by Stevie J but continued by players who lack confidence. Rd 23 v GWS Weed slotted one straight through the middle from deep in the pocket. And as I and others have stated many times for all of the goals people keep telling us he’s kicked they fail to mention how he continues to go missing in big games, it’s no longer a one off but a trend. As for the recent Goodwin statement that Jesse loves Melbourne and is a required player, that comes with the “but we’re only going to offer him this much because” - Rd 22 through to the semi we played better without him. Same as last year against Adelaide and the Eagles, there is definitely something to this. - He still has areas of his game he needs to work - He no longer has us over a barrel with Weiderman coming along nicely. - With a lot of our players finding form we have to fit them all in Calls for him to play down back are a cop out, we still need quality mids, use the picks to booster that area. Although we got shown up by West Coast, our 4 weeks prior to that was good enough to beat most other teams.

Just reposting this in the hope some others might get some context on Hogan, his goals for the year and his inability this year to influence certain games.

Some big marks taken last night on the end of some ordinary disposal from both teams due to the pressure. Didn’t see any supporters blaming their respective midfielders.

Very lucky indeed, if the FD did worry about the opinion of the “so called many” we would already have Hogan signed up to a 10 year deal worth 1.4 million a season because apparently he has no flaws in his game and is the best young forward in the game. Luckily the FD understand that he doesn’t have a complete game and such a move would affect our decision to retain other talent.

When Hogan struggled up fwd this year it was the midfields fault because the ball was being bombed in to him. Looking at the marks the Weed has taken over the last 3 weeks, they weren’t exactly lace out bullets.

Apologies, just realise it has its own thread.

Can someone with computer skill please post the FB post of the “final siren, when they said Melbourne couldn’t beat a top 8 side” it’s the one with the wrestling. Posted in Melbourne Football Club, The Mighty Demons. Bloody funny.

It was more than Richmond like, Richmond tackle in numbers and are quick to pounce on the ball carrier but our boys tackled with a ferocity like I haven’t seen in a long time. Geelong players were hit hard, thumped into the ground and one tackle (forget who it was, watching replay tonight) the Geelong ended up on his neck and shoulders. They didn’t expect what we gave them and it left them hurting.

I personally think he’s better off playing beteen the arcs, I think that suits his skill set.

We tried various combinations of three talls during the middle part of season and settled on 2, Weed only came back into the side after Hogan was injured. The Weed has blown every one with his last 3 weeks. With Lever also to come back in I think someone’s going to miss.

Realistically what is Hogan worth to us a year all things considered, then what would another club ie Freo possibly pay him a season. I think the gap has widened in the last 3 weeks.

Surely you don’t mean into defence?

Absolutely awesome, not sure where to start. I need to watch the replay. Couldn’t be happier right now. Brayshaw was massive. The Weed.

When do tickets for Geelong’s home final go on sale?

When was Hogan in a form slump this year? Leading into QB he had kicked 10 from his last two games and 31 for the season. He then kicked donuts against Collingwood and Port Adelaide, then went on to kick 3, 2 & 4 goals in his following 3 games. There’s a difference between a form slump and getting beaten by a better opponent.

With Frost’s pace, athleticism and all round general improvement could he not play on mid size forwards as well as talls? I think your first back 6 is not only great defensively but also would generate a lot of drive from the back half. Frost was massive against the Giants. With regards to the forwards I think three is too many. TMac must be the deepest fwd.

Obviously not the way anyone wanted his career to end. I loved the way he went about it, all the best in the future B.V.

Perceived value. He’s a 50 goal a season player who’s yet to hit his prime, he’s arguably the best young forward in the comp, a contested footy beast. He’s easily worth 1-1.2 million a year. Three tall forwards isn’t sustainable IMO.

The amount of money will be the end of the story IMO.

For his last contract Hogan held all cards, the go home factor and his potential was there for all to see. No one is doubting he he has talent, the debate hinges on how much, and is that talent good enough to impact big games. There are two sides to this discussion, those that continually state how many goals he’s kicked, marks he’s taken and then those that point out that they are largely against sides which won’t be playing next week. Those that say “imagine how much we would of beaten the Eagels by if Hogan was playing” and those that thought his absence would actually strengthened our chances of winning because of our teams dynamics changing. Our victories this year against Eagles/GWS this year and Crows/Eagles last year are surely more than just a coincidence. Obviously that doesn’t mean we win every game Hogan’s not in the side but it’s something we as supporters and footy department are fully aware of. Why is it that our midfield which apparently is largely to blame when Hogan plays poorly is so instrumental in our victories when he’s not playing, have we seen Hogan’s best? For supposedly the best young forward in competition he has some big flaws in his craft. Is there any chance he’s not the player we all thought he’d be when we first drafted him. His career will be and his next contract should be determined by his performance’s in big games.

Surely Brayshaw has to be up there, on top of his clearance work he’s starting to kick the odd goal running into fwd 50. Really interested to see how Frost’s form continues as we enter the finals. Obviously in no ones top 5 players but if he can build on his current purple patch he will find himself getting a game every week. I think we could play Lever, Oscar and Frost together.

You forgot to mention Oliver stands up in big games.

Dylan Shiel, get it done.

Something that I don’t think anyone has considered is money. He’s 24 next year and in the last year of his contract, obviously none of us know how much he’s on but it would be fair to assume it would be quite substantial. Part of his contract would of been based on potential and the go home factor. This next contract should be naturally larger and his “payday”. But if his inability to perform in big games continues or a potential move to defence was to occur (I can’t see this happening, I think he would change clubs to where he could play forward) then he would/should be offered a contract that reflects his worth to the team. This could result in a significant difference between what we’re offering a what another club may offer.