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After reading this “ informative” cough thread there’s also Trac wanting to be traded to the pies.

verral to get a game at the back end of the season if form maintains.

thats my wish for 2025. Wont happen this year.

This is the same Mick Malthouse that recommended Neeld to Lyon when we were looking for a coach. The same Mick Mathouse that destroyed Carltons list and culture when he coached there. I just dont think he's credible enough to take seriously these days.

We now have no Trac, no Brayshaw and an Oliver and Petty on half rat power . On top of this we have maybe 3 players or more hobbling through their final season ....and no Joel Smith. So I wonder what there is to realistically hope for in 2024. We aint winning a flag without Trac and the rest of the above...that much is clear. So on one hand I could say what would be theoretically best is a full capitulation, a clean out and some good draft picks a la 2019 and maybe a good FA or trades. But there's a looong way to go in 2024 and I don't like the feel of that enough to hope for it. On the other I think we could still push for a finals birth and, if we got there and won one, I reckon that would be impressive with the reality of our 24 list ... and we could at least get that "straight sets" monkey off our back. Barring that I'd like to at least see them refind their mojo, energy and connection and build for a decent 2025 shot. Maybe see a few younger players tried and assess with more clarity? Any thoughts?

true 👍 and also true that Neeld somehow got us jackson and Roos. We got lucky on the way up didn’t we.

He’s the best I’ve ever seen I think. You can make a cases for Whitten, Barassi or Mathew’s . But Dusty had that explosiveness and potency with his kicks. Still pains me he went in the draft at 3 when we had picks 1 and 2.

Imo it’s becoming clear that we need a refresh of assistant coaches. We just look soooo stale and fumbly and out of synch. We all love choco but tbh our kicking around the ground and for goal has never been worse. fwd coach ? midfield coach? Goody is a keeper for mine.

Goodwin 3 x top four finishes and one outright top finish. Bevo zero top 4 finishes. I think Goodwin gets those points back personally.

it was.

don’t worry.. with good coaching we can can rid him of those habits.

" a hole filled with more hole" its sadly true. Billings is the one for me. I mean he is such an everage kick of the football and a slow / poor decision maker. At some point that hole within a hole turns into a black hole doesnt it ...and starts sucking the life out of the team.

Jesus...poor buggar. Is that season ending for Trac? Given how this frikn season is shaping up Im imagining it is. I honestly feel like we've been cursed since late last year.

A few comments and questions. Looking for some kind of silver lining., 1./ Collingwood are elite with turnovers and we just couldn’t defend their fast breaks. They seem faster, more physical but also much better kicks. Are we really suddenly this far behind? 2./ Our kicking for goal was a mix of terrible but also unlucky. Kozzi hit the post .. was it 3 times? As poor as we looked do you think if we kicked straight we’re actually in that game… or am I clutching at straws. 3./ I can’t quite put my finger on it but there seems to be a definite lack of buzz or joy or energy in this group at this point. I can’t help but wonder about what’s going on behind the scenes. Did you feel the same?

yep... forgot about the broadcast partners and the need to speak of a level playing field. Thats big. And yes also, post game you will never hear it spoken of from a losing coach or a winning one for that matter. It seems like the coverage CAN cope with commenting on a warped version of "loading" ie the byes as impacting results. Many comments on who hasn't had one, who's coming off one, how many each team gets... but they still talk about the byes as representing "a rest" rather than a loading block. We've got a looong way to go. I love that you talk about all this so much by the way...Im much better informed now.

The only reason I can think of that this doesn’t happen is it’s for internal eyes only ie a place clubs look fr an edge over other teams. So high performance managers while critical and, as you rightly point out, who DO have a big impact on apparantly strange results, are secretive of their methods. Even so, I’m with you, you’d think more people would at least be asking questions of them. I also think the days when it’s being ignored are numbered.

A good point. Angus will do what he feels liked to do. But sometimes life also just lays down certain pathways doesn’t it. Given what happened to him next to the fate of the father of his bride it must be a strong pull.

his comment was NOTHING to do w financials. read it again before attacking please.

If you haven't renewed then you're not really a supporter. Looks you got tested and folded.

Yes and...Max is the GOAT. Who wouldn't want to both learn off the guy and play a decent if not smaller role for a year or two?

Not so sure about that. It’s easy to forget after the Grundy debacle that Jackson and Gawn worked so well for all parties. It’s a great opportunity for an up and coming ruckman to learn from the GOAT for a cpl of years in a lesser role. It just wasn’t a great opportunity fr an already established AA ruckman.

We're about to find out if last week was just an aberration for an incredibly consistent team over the last few years ...or the start of something creaking and collapsing. I have no idea which way the dees are going nor how this match will go. My suspicion is this will be a closish match but also one we lose. I have distinct end of a golden era vibes about the 24 dees. But in saying that the Dees have made me incredibly proud the last few years...a bit more luck and we win 2 flags . Im not putting the boot in here at all...its just my sense. Hope Im wrong

from all reports it was just a bit too soon...he stepped away.

For now anyway. He looks at least 6 weeks away for mine...maybe more.