Undeeterred

Well at least most of the list will be right for a ripping pre-season. In the Amos or wherever some of them end up.

And if we were second on the ladder now, we'd all be saying how brilliant free agency is and how we never want anything to change. Just unfortunate timing, really...

One thing for us that's different to last year is that we haven't had a cricket score like that kicked against us, as far as I can recall... Nice to see it happening to other teams.

Amazing how little scrutiny Carlton received this year, really. I know there has been a bit of press but they deserve a bollocking.

I was too angry and dismayed to LOL.

It is an absolutely terrible idea. Grimes is our captain. How do you think trading him would go down in the playing group? Trengove and Toumpas have absolutely zero trade value and all the upside in the world. And both have made very public commitments to the club (Toumpas this week and Trengove after 186). How do you think trading them would go down? It is just pure idiocy and clearly, clearly has no basis in fact.

This is utter, complete bollocks. When there is no leadership and few mature players at the club, what possible benefit could be gained by bringing in five or six new players and trading out the captain and immediate past captain, amogst others. Complete [censored] stirring and will put us back another 5-10 years.

You look at that post and think, wow, really should have bailed out at that last sentence.

1. A touch melodramatic, methinks. 2. Most of them kind of already are, or will be by November. 3. It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference to their mental state this many years later.

I think a lot of the time most people on here forget that the players are people too. How would you go if your organisation kept putting out press releases telling the world you were doing a rubbish job? Not exactly confidence building material, is it? I just don't get the point of continually giving players a public bollocking, it is entirely self-defeating.

The issue is the players, and the worst possible thing the club could do for their confidence and drive is to go to the league the day after that and point out how utterly hopeless they are. I think we need a pick and should get one, but we shouldn't have to apply, and we shouldn't have done it today.

He is taking the [censored]

Bye bye Chippa. I think that is the tipping point for me, and I'm sure for a few others. I just give up.

True, but we're really down to only 5 or 6 genuine hacks on the out of contract list, plus Clark and Byrnes, so I suppose 7 or 8 changes might be about right. I just thought Roos might leave open the possibility of that one extra spot, when nobody will be beating down the door to pick up Terlich and we can always give him a new contract after trade week or the draft. Just seems really odd timing.

I agree, although I guess what I was saying was that given the cleanout they seemingly want to make, I'm surprised they aren't keeping as many list spots open as possible. Seems odd to give Terlich a contract a few weeks before the end of the season, unless they know eg that Frawley is off so they've got one more opening than they possibly hoped for... Interesting anyway.

Gee if they're signing up players like Terlich now, you'd have to think they are pretty confident Frawley is gone...

Is it any wonder if he doesn't jump in when they're getting the cr@p kicked out of them??

A good way of thinking about it too is %, which is helpful in looking at a low scoring game. Yes, we only lost by 31, but at 55%. That's fairly illuminating in my view.

Not a lot of credibility here if you're suggesting we think about trading our current and most-recently former captain, but you'd keep Evans, Bail and McKenzie. Laughable.

Whilst expressly not wishing actual violence on anybody, it looks like someone at 5.10 on Sunday morning tipped over and did what a number of us probably want to do in our dreams. http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mitch-robinson-suffered-fractured-eye-socket-in-early-morning-altercation-20140807-101oto.html

This is just such guff. Neither Trengove nor Toumpas is going anywhere.

Sure thing, tough guy.

Fascinating but depressing OP C&B

We have plenty in front of them to get rid of who won't cost a years wage

Sure, except in 2004 when they were given a priority pick and picked up Franklin and Roughead. So except for then.