Undeeterred

46 MINUTE DELAY FOR THIS: Paul Roos: there's no question the club has improved this year

Well, yes, excellent point you make there!

Don't have to go out tonight, as such, just more, if a B&F count makes you impatient!

Are you guys seriously upset that you don't know who won the B&F, like, the second it happens? Should probably go out more...

Just you.

Utter gold. Take a bow.

Hard to argue he wasn't the best player for us over the year.

Walk up start. Honestly, I don't give a stuff how high maintenance he is. Let me ask, would you prefer him to Terlich? As for you lot saying you wouldn't renew your memberships - get your hand off it.

Absoultely. Would definitely take him.

Maybe he can bring along his Frawley mask and play in that in Round 1...

Seems there's probably a touch more bitterness about Frawley in the playing group than we might think...

This too. I was astonished by the timing of those extensions. Who would care if we waited another month?? Not like they'd have suitors bashing down the door.

One of my favourite golfing quotes is 'It's not how, it's how many'. It doesn't matter why we are cr@p, the fact is that we are. The fact is that we keep losing and will keep losing senior players until we turn the ship around. It doesn't matter how many games we lost that we should have won etc, we didn't. And we're 17th, about to lose a key defender in his prime and gain another 18 year old with not much onfield leadership. Next year we will lose Cross, Jamar and potentially another free agent or two. We just don't have seniority on the list to keep bleeding experience like we currently are.

We're completely stuffed if we expect Tyson, Salem, Hogan, JKH and even players like Tom MacDonald to rescue us at this point. They need help and time and, whilst we might pick another young star this year, this time next year we could well lose Nathan Jones and drop another two steps back. My worry is that until we stop the bleeding at the top end of our list age-wise, we are never going anywhere.

Munga, you're absolutely spot on. I think it is why Roos will trade our top picks and people here will go absolutely mental about us giving up '10 year stars'. What we need right now is a very good player that is slightly under 'Pick 2' kind of stardom, about 5-7 years in, and a couple of solid Bernie Vince types for picks in the 20s-40s. We will get torched for a couple of years on 'value', but we can always go back to the well in a few years when we are mid table again. Plenty of 200 gamers come from picks outside the top 10 and there's no reason we can't find a few ourselves.

Also, mate, 'negative nancy' is not an inherently homophobic comment.

Well that will learn him!

Que?

I just want Ninthmond to finish 9th again. Will make up for some of the pain of our season.

Hope they at least have some fun together for the final session and play hackey sack or something.

If Clark plays for Freo I will absolutely spew.

I completely agree. Following this season from the UK has been utterly depressing.

Made the mistake of bypassing the Ignore on deeluded out of sheer curiosity. Won't do it again.

Typically Melbourne ham fisted list management if true.

For what it is worth, both of these issues have been giving me the irrites for ages. I use IE at work (no choice) and Safari at home.