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Sorry BH but it aint shadow boxing it is stating a fact, Jones was a whipping boy for many and has applied himself and been in the system since 2006 so it's taken 6 years to get to this level, but he has not just turned things around overnight, he has actually made gradual progression. Similar to Jobe Watson who was an Essendon whipping boy for a long time as well. Both have improved their fitness levels to be able to reduce the fatigue on their bodies and have the ability to run games out better. With all that comes belief and confidence. Trenners is being slagged off by many who are saying he is slow and a waste of a first round pick, Grimes has for the first time got his body right and put games together and showed a bit in the second half of the season. Both these guys have the will to succeed and like Jonesy will put the effort to get where they need to. Basically what I am saying is demonlanders should think about the players they are slagging off because development takes longer in some than others. Our list is not full of lost causes

Our day will come

Great effort Jonesy and there were many calling for him to be traded a couple of seasons ago, let that be a lesson to all on this forum who slag off our young players at every opportunity. Some very good kids on our list and some good honest footballers, once we sort out the mix we will get there. Again great effort Jonesy it's a tribute to your dedication and efforts

"Tiocfadh Ar Lar" WYL

It will be sweet when it happens OD, I have faith I have waited 32 years and think were on the downward run to the Holy Grail now. Not saying it's around the corner but it will come

Next years trip to Melbourne will be another photo opportunity to go along with the Barassi photo

Had a great game today when the Sharks made their charge in the third and Mitchell went quite while Griffen had the ball on a string it was Blackwell who stood up went in for the hard ball and stemmed the run to help the Tigers consolidate

Wouldn't use pick 3 or 4 and not sure he'll be there at 13 so would not be against taking him if he is best available

Wellingham is not a gun, he is a decent player in a midfield surrounded by stars, put him in an average midfield and he becomes Chris Heffernan, Des Headland and Brent Prismall

All these below are options and we can't or wont take them all but consideration for me is on good ball users, some talls and players with decent size no more skinny kids after seeing Sydney, Adelaide, Pies, Hawks and others show the advantages when it counts in finals Andy Otten was very good for Adelaide yesterday ball use was what we need and targetting him is what Swans do by targetting a payer that is on the fringe but has good quality Chris Knights another Crow I like who has proven himself at AFL level Gumbleton - Bombers have to many talls and now they found the bone spurr as the cause of his back problems he has put games together Ben Jacobs - shown some good signs in his time at Port and if he wants to go back to Victoria good option Caddy - shown glimpses and has by all accounts a few clubs chasing him but what is he worth Draft Mids with potential body size and tanks Viney, Toumpas, O'Rourke, Wines Forwards - MD trade one of our picks to get Hogan but if not Mason Shaw good young kid fro South Fremantle good size and can take a grab, kicked 5 today in Colts GF and continually ran to present leads, Small Forwards - Dayle Garlett is highly spoken of but would not use a first round pick on him, have not seen Ben Kennedy or Tim Membrey but he will move up the order after today Recycled Players Tom Lee - good thrid tall option up forward, Mark Hutchings - finished 2nd to Kane Mitchell in the Sandover medal but uses the ball better So with that would not mind Otten, Knights, Jacobs, Toumpas, O'Rourke or Hogan MD, Membrey, Viney, Tom Lee and add another high profile recruit

WTF The Hawks are STILL up, STILL this is like the we've been shite for 48 years talk must have been crazy to have changed coaches 4 times since they have been up all that time convenient memories, I thought this was about Eishold I believe some meant to say the Hawks are back up They were where we are now 7 years ago

Sorry lads Im Irish and love Jimmy and his memory, but he would be the first to acknowledge we are red and blue. So for me we go back to red jumpers as an alternate or the old royal blue as our alternate

Will be picked up and don't think will last to rookie draft. Good hands and will hold marks, he has been really good this year attacks the ball hard and his kicking is average to good so doesn't need to much work. He was one of the local league players used by Freo to make up numbers in their intra club scratch match earlier this year and was one of the best forwards on the ground. He will be a good pick up as a third tall

Once we remain playing our games at the G Stuie it doesn't bother me that much, if anything moves the club in the right direction such as state of the art facilities I'm all for it

FFS are you serious

I wasn't sold from highlight reels I had seen, but went on Sunday and saw him in the flesh and liked in fact no loved what I saw, the kid knows how to play, worked hard hit every contest hard and had a nice bit of mongrel & arrogance which was not over the Top

Seen him play a bit hard honest has desire and hunger. Gets a lot of it at WAFL level due to superior fitness, under pressure turns the ball over a bit. In summing him up good for depth but only if he comes cheap.

+ 1, LOOK I'm computer illiterate please crash course for Dummies how do I ignore Rassilon

Jay Van Berlo is a dedicated footballer but just doesn't have it, Nathan is the only one from teh family to cut it at AFL level, Mitch is playing Colts/Reserves at West Perth but IMO will even struggle to play league at WAFL level. PASS

Absolutley although he is a Royals boy from the Coolbinia Bombers before he was picked up by the Saints. He came back to West Perth & Josh SMITH went to the Royals. Seen a kid playing for Swan Districts the other day first name escapes me but surname of Stevens didn't get a lot of the ball maybe 18/20 touches but every touch was quality and hit a target. Tom Lee from Claremont would be a handy pick up for someone as well. Plenty of good players at WAFL level

Like Mitchell but would put Mark HUTCHINGS from West Perth in front of Blackwell on 2012 performances

Red & Blue till either me or the club passes, thats all that needs to be said

Just out of curiosity have you seen Martin play and I am not having a go just wondering. And not talking about TV I am talking live. I have doubts about his workrate and attitude, any doubts I had on Hogan were washed away yesterday. Spoke to someone involved with WAFL club and Doggies are into Hogan as well and will be chasing him through mini draft

Since there has been talk of Wellingham I have watched him closely and whilst he is a good player who works hard, he is a small fish in a big pond. I'm thinking he would be exposed like Des Headland was when he left the Lions. Would not pay him big money, his disposal is not great and to be talking $600k, that is what the Saints have offered Goddard and Welingham certainly is not worth that. I would ask the club to be cautious here

I was there today and say take him, I wasn't previously sold on giving up one of our early picks but after todays display he looked very good hada presence and a bit of arrogance. I watched Dayle Gartlett & Koby Stevens in the seniors & Garlett Did a couple of nice things, kicked a great snap that was class. Has quality but IMO lacks a high work rate and doesn't look to push himself. The Swans were able to get Jetta to lift his workrate and that may happen with Garlett, but something they need to sort out at interview Stevens Opposite to Garlett, high workrate but lacks polish, his disposal was good when he had space but butchered it a little when under pressure. Would not use a pick above the third round for him but his work ethic and intensity are positives