Pennant St Dee

FFS lets move on saying and doing are two very different things One time trial or hard session would stretch is want to return to the game at the highest level. Has all the skill in the world but lack of desire/commitment to reach his full potential We as a club are far more professional and have moved on and would be a step backward IMO. If the FD had the choice now they had back when LJ was first taken, pretty confident they would take Rockliff

Rise: Like others not exactly sold on Cats trade period, high risk but I beleive Danger frees J.Selwood up by no being number 1 tagging option Port finished off well in second half and think we have a Cats of 06/07 on our hands Pies IMO they have shown enough earlier in the last two season that they are on the rise like their list and think Moore will step up Fall Sydney although if Buddy and Tippett have good seasons the fall will be minimal North - not sold on them they have done well in September with underdone Cats and Swans in the last two finals to grab prelim births, at some stage their defense will be caught out and Gody copping a decent injury is curtains for them

Love the station,makes a change to having to live in the west and put up with a little bit of Freo (which I can take) but Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia have nothing on the Meth Coast propaganda we have to put up with on Perth radio, tv and in the papers.

Yep Cats built their list on the drafts of 99 & 01 and the Hawks built there's off 01 & 04. Absolutely nail 2 or 3 drafts with 7 or 8 core players and some bookends and you set yourselves up very well

IMO the tagger will be even more effective with the sub rule going and the decrease in rotations, players able to run all day will be more in vogue as the explosiveness moves from the game. The likes of the Sean Denham Tony Libratore taggers will come back. What I do think will come back into the game is pure footballers who think quickly, the likes of Pendlebury and Sam Mitchell will thrive in this situation

Ben Jacobs performance in the finals for North would suggest otherwise

I would actually pick Sam Powell-Pepper as the best from WA over Petrevski-Seton, both should go first round and whilst Petrevski Seton has a better highlights package I think Powell-Pepper has the better all round game. Powell-Pepper has the better size for the next level although season 2016 should see Petrevski-Seton getting greater exposure at senior level after the U/18 championships. Petrevski-Seton is a Claremont player and was given a few games this season and performed well. Powell-Pepper unfortunately is in the East Perth zone so due to alignment will play second fiddle to the Meth Coast players. A couple of other WA bys who I like for next years draft are Josh Rotham really good young defender with some good positional sense and a good attack on the ball. Is a key position defender but at the next level may be a third tall defensive option. Jeremy Goddard is another from the Claremont zone and another Marist boy like our own Hulk. Goddard is a ruckman who will need to work on his influence away from the centre bounces and that will keep me interested in his performance throughout next season

I'm going off memory here but weren't the Febey twins 20 & 21?

As I said old dee my team was picked on them all being healthy and playing at their best, I'm talking Dawes of 2010/11. If he doesn't reach the required standard he's out

Reckon Connor Blakeny, Gresham, Darcy Moore & Kolodjasnjih will give it a shake. Hoping our boys take points off each other with consistency across the board

Really like Hinchcliffe, loves the competative stuff, not as polished as others but hard at it, WA'S best in this years under 18's and showed those more talented what hard work does for you. Only really got serious about footy this year as he was focussed on cricket previously. Would be a good pick up

Greg Clark would be worth the punt as a rookie, good size uses it well and shows some leadership, my question mark on him was hunger because from a young age he has been a standout. He wasn't expecting to be picked up as interest had dimmed so that hunger may be ignited, worth a punt IMO also was very impressed by Snelling in his game for SA against WA earlier in the season, he was their standout mid on the day, he is not big but like the way he goes about it and has some hardness for a smaller player Jordan Snadden is another who has talent but in games I saw him play lacked urgency, as with Clark will the rejection make these gifted youngsters realise it's time to knuckle down to realise their dreams

Yes Bandicoot I understand that as overall there are more teams in Victoria, but I am just making the point that some of those AFL players only have fitness over the VFL, SANFL & WAFL players. Whilst I thinks it's great Oli performed well in the VFL the biggest plus for me is the fact he has realised very early the sacrifices required to make it at the next level. Full time conditioning staff and dieticians has me looking at him with a great deal of anticipation

Looks a nice kick on what I have seen, and the fact he takes contested marks is another plus, especially with him and Hogan in years to come being two headaches for defences. Speaks with the right attitude and seems like he has his head screwed on well. Hoping he has the desire to succeed and we are there with the forward structure being set up for a long period. Welcome aboard the Dee train Sam

Obviously between now and March 24th or thereabouts whenever the GWS game is we will cop some injuries and players will step up who we didn't expect or better than expect like Jetta & Tyson of 2014 & Vanders, Brayshaw & Gawn of 2015. My 22 is based on our players being able to remain relatively injury free and perform to their best, we also need to remember how we went in to tall against them in Round 2 this season and got run off our feet. so multiple players who can rotate through positions with stints through the middle are required B: JETTA TMAC GARLAND HB: MELKSHAM DUNN SALEM C: LAMUMBA TYSON VINCE HF: BRAYSHAW DAWES KENT F: GARLETT HOGAN PETRACCA Foll: GAWN, JONES N & VINEY Int: VANDERS, PEDERSEN, FROST & STRETCH Stretch gets the nod ahead of Watts who needs to prove himself over the pre season and I reckon Stretch will benefit from another pre season and can also rotate on the wing with Bernie & H, Pedersen gets the nod to give big Maxy a chop out with Mummy Vanders may need to give a big presence through the middle because after last year someone has to run with Shiel and I expect Viney to get that job Frost gets the gig because they can go fairly tall with Patton, Mcarthy, Tomlinson and with us wanting to play Melksham and Salem off the HB we need some insurance. Oliver looks good but as with the new club policy lets see how they go, I saw Juddy live in his 1 and only WAFL game round 1 2002, Trenners fully fit, Harmes & ANB continuing to improve can all lay claims to spots in the side. The bigger boys taken can develop in the VFL as happens with the better AFL clubs

Often Peel and East Perth have 13 or 14 AFL listed players running around in their line ups. And with Port and Adelaide now having stand alones sides I dare say they would often have around 10 to 12 players in their sides. Overall a lot of AFL listed players playing regularly at VFL, WAFL & SANFL level are either young and developing or just depth and you can see the young developers may have great skills an smarts they can get crunched by the bigger bodies whilst the with the AFL depth list cloggers their skills aren't great they get by on their superior fitness. The biggest upside on Oliver for me is yes he looks great on video against kids and he has done well at VFL level, What I like more than anything is the change in body shape over the season and the condition he turned up to the combine in. Speaks volumes of determination and the right attitude. That is in a player and very hard to teach Welcome to the club Oli

Picked Parish because outside of Mills I think he is the best Mid available. I also believe one of Francis, Curnow, Weideman will fall to our second pick and if not happy to pull the trigger on another Mid (Oliver) or take Collins or Harry Mckay

Stuie lets not derail the thread, I know both stories very well in regard to Garlett & Darling. Every case is different as you say and it is very much the case with these two. The press only knows a minute amount of what DG was up to

Oh they are so similar stories FFS Darling - Played up at school camp and got king hit Garlett - drug issues, history of trouble with Police, About the only similar characteristic they had was they both thought their ability would get them through

The way he finished 2015 and the improvement he showed all year Jack Viney for mine. The AFL industry as a group don't rate him as much more than C grader, think he will continue on the right path and become an elite AFL midfielder

Clark is a good kid and is smooth to watch, I just have some doubts about his absolute desire to run through brick walls, because he is going to need to develop that to make the best of the tools he has at his disposal.

Pick 3 for mine on Parish Pick 7: I think 1 of Curnow, Weideman or Francis will be available. Think the Bombers and Suns will take 1 of Millera, Oliver or Mathieson in their picks. SO whoever is left out of that lot and still not totally against Kerian Collins

We must take Clayton Oliver and how you wanted Ollie Wines Don't pass on another Ollie Oh how the past can come back and haunt you

Greg Clark was WA'S best along with Hinchcliffe through the U/18 championships but was hit by injury late in the season. Feared for a while it was a PCL but turned out not to serious. I actually spoke with him last week and he is not very confident of being picked up. He had a lot of interest early and my info from around the traps is only 2 clubs have shown a lot of interest in him. He is an interesting player has all the tools at his disposal and can be very smooth just not sure on his hardness

From other threads I see we may be having a look at Collins, just checked back on the U/18 National Champs thread and cut and pasted from my observations from the WA vs Vic Country match below. Have bolded some of the players who may come into consideration WA vs Vic Country Well sorry for the delay in getting this out but have between busy afternoon and computer problems only getting onto it now. Schache was outstanding from the very outset, loved his strength in contested marking situations and his awareness to lead hard when the opportunity arose, delivery to space from Matheson, Sympkin, Ainsworth, Holmes, Tucker left the defender with no chance. Schache showed some arrogance at times which I think is a good quality in a young forward. Ah Chee up forward for WA had limited opportunity but he is a gun and will be sought after due to his ability to turn a game from limited opportunities. Really liked teh defensive work of Collins who is a big boy and was surprisingly very clean below his knees and made good decisions by foot. WA had solid contributions from Jimmy Harrold and Hinchcliffe all day long but the WA boys lacked depth through the middle and it is no surprise their best period in the game came in the third when Pepper-Powell, Clark and Hinchcliffe were all winning the clearances with Goddard being the better ruckman on the ground as he was for the day. Some notes of interest First Quarter: Schache shows strength holding front position with a high floating ball delivered in quickly but not effectively, Schache positioned his body well enough to hold off defender and take a strong mark above his head. Unfortunately put the ball to the wrong side, although I do like his smooth kicking action 2 very solid pressure efforts inside forward 50m from Eades resulted in turnover and goal WA turnover ball forward of centre wing and ball ends up in hands of Sympkin who after short run sees strong lead from Schache who starts lead as soon as he sees turnover. Sympkins perfect pass lands on chest of Schache with defender trailing behind him Another WA turnover ends up in hands of Darcy Tucker who after quick 1-2 gathers with great run and delivers a long pass over defenders to top of square where Schache who is moving backwards and has presence of mind to use body to hold off full back and bring ball to ground for crumbing forward to goal. Not certain but think the goal was by Number 28 very brave effort by Harrold takes strong contested mark backing in at half back and takes off to deliver a quality 35/40m pass to chest of leading HF strong effort inside forward 50 by Sympkin, gathers loose ball with pace and makes early decision to kick a goal from 40m out on the boundary. Great skill, confidence and poise shown with this effort and approx 10 secs before it was Sympkins hard effort at half forward which caused the spillage when WA were breaking away from defence really strong tackle and turnover by Costigan was a great effort which was not backed up by a poor turnover when going into corridor with other available options on win Good mark by Vic forward Skinner with strong hands and body strength getting front position although IMO WA defender Mirco should have done better, tried to contest the mark from behind when the obvious option was to punch Hinchliffe shows coolness under pressure in heavy traffic inside defensive 50 before delivering a quality 35m pass to teammate to relieve pressure Tucker again runs off half back to wing and at pace delivers perfectly weighted and depth pass to leading Schache Hinchliffe again good in traffic with poise and hard run in own defensive 50 before clearing down the boundary to advantage of leading HF Best 1st quarter Vic Country - Schache, Sympkin, Tucker, Holmes WA - Hinchcliffe, Harrold, Goddard 2nd Quarter Goddard continues to get better of ruck and is also backing up with some good second efforts around the clearances Matheson and Holmes dominating from centre despite Goddard winning hitouts Harrold backs into contest and takes a quality mark in front of Schache in defensive 50m before giving off pass and continuing with run and providing outlet option Ah Chee takes a good mark at full forward uses smarts to leap early and get advantage over much taller opponent Watson shows a lot with several second efforts, backing into packs without questions Collins big half back who shows good clean hands below knees, on one occasion with WA breaking and wide open forward 50 behind him, Collins is decisive in trapping low delivery to leading forward forward before gathering and disposing with neat kick into corridor, Collins continues with momentum receives handball which he handballs to HFF resulting in inside 50 to contest at top of square. Schache again takes mark with strong lead early to lose defender into forward pocket, realises quickly better option and delivers pinpoint pass to team mate who goals Ridley and Clark getting involved and starting to deliver some good isnide 50's for WA but Vic defenders Collins and Wietering either marking or knocking to advantage Tucker and Matheison exceptional at ground level to clear and set up attacks Watson great second efforts after strong defensive spoil falls to Vic advantage, 2nd effort results in turnover and WA relieving pressure Hinchcliffe again brave floating across bigpack at halfback to take relieving mark Ainsworth outmarks taller opponent with good judgement and positioning sense Ainsworth busy and applying forward pressure gathers lose ball and delivers perfect pass to Schache who snaps goal Schache relieving on ball and maintaining role floating kick behind play, gathering possessions as link option in corridor, also delivers quality inside 50 to leading Ainsworth WA under pressure in defensive 50m Hinchcliffe runs hard to get to contest gathers ball before delivering inch perfect 50m pass to leading HF Best Vic - Schache, Ainsworth, Collins, Matheson WA - Hinchliffe, Harrold, Watson, Clark 3rd quarter WA gain some advantage through Goddards taps, Clark strong body and Shaw getting busy forward 50 entries cut off by Collins Harrold showing defnsive poise and dash, decision making is top level Ainsworth strong lead gathers before turning quality pass to leading Eades Schache leads well to Holmes who has run off HB and delivers pass which is a bit high, Aisnworth comes up as 3rd man and brings ball to ground, very good effort by small/mid size forward WA now having best period of game, Clark, Hinchcliffe strong through the middle with assistance from Pepper-Powell and Ridley who is getting involved again. Rotham standing up in defensive 50 and when pushing up ground to spoil at every opportunity Pepper-Powell very impressive decision making is sound, delivery by foot is good and he has a physical presence for a midfielder Petrovksi-Seton been quite most of the day but running hard trying to get himself into the game, impressive second and third efforts after shocking turnover by him inside defensive 50 turns the ball over, puts body on line to spoil forward pass follows up with bone jarring tackle and WA move ball to forward 50 at pace Sympkin goes hard in 3 on 1 to beat all opponents in forward pocket kicks % option to top of square Rotham spoils Petrovski-Seton shows one for the highlight reel, runs of back of square at centre bounce meets ball at speed which he gathers and delivers inside 50 from centre square at speed, after after some solid work by Jones WA lock ball in and Clark using big body at clearance goals Best Vic - Sympkin, Holmes, Schache, Ainsworth, Collins WA- Rotham, Pepper-Powell, Clark, Harrold 4th Quarter Ah Chee holds up well in strong tackle to get his kick off to goal Clark continues off from 3rd quarter with some good strong clearance work Collins continues to impress by beating direct opponent and also rolling off to spoil, however he chooses this option well also has a knack of backing team mate and rolling off to provide outlet option or gather loose ball, lot to like about this kid Pepper-Powell shows extra tools by resting across HFF and bringing ball to ground in a couple of contest Schache moves to behind ball and starts to show quality delivery and poise for such a big man, duel option down the track as forward or defender going to push him right to top of draft. Once sting is out of the game he goes back to forward 50 where he continues to dominate. His set shot is fluid and looks effortless Ah Chee ignores Pepper-Powell who is free in space around 40 m out and blazes away from 45m out close to boundary So basically a dominant display by Vic Country who just had far more contributors across the ground and overall had the much bigger bodies at the contest, better structures setting up from HB and through the corridor and with the smart powerful leading Schache they are a good strong side. For drafting Schache - Top 5 easily and on this effort Carlton/Suns/Saints will take him with Pick 1. not just a forward, but why wouldn't you play him there. Shows a lot of Hogan's hard working attitude and some swagger. Direct opponent was undersized but could not have asked for a better display from your key forward who imposed himslef on the game Collins - not as highly touted as Weitering but the best defender on the ground, showed great anticipation and decision making matched with good ball use and also provided options going forward. Tucker - not overly busy but everything he did he did well. His disposal was excellent as was his decision making. Good runner and will also be able to run on ball Ainsworth - size will go against him but very good by foot and a busy forward who shows enough to suggest he could rotate through the middle. A lot of Jack Lonie about this kid Holmes - rated him above Matheson over the 4 quarters because he was harder at it throughout and was busy when Vic Country got on top early. Not a big mid but has some good aggression and did not shirk any contests WA Clark - not exceptional but just makes the right decisions, I think he will go second round because he wont have one of those impressive highlight reels but may surprise recruiters, especially if he gets into a strong midfield Hinchliffe - not a big mid but brave and a very good user of the footy by hand and foot. Will go late or rookie but I like kids who stand up in a team under the pump and that is what he did Harrold - as above stood up for the entire game in a defence that was getting no let up. Showed plenty of poise in traffic and used the footy well Ah Chee - showed enough with his limited opportunities to why he is highly rated, like all quality small forwards makes the most of limited opportunities