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Haaaaaaaahahahahaha.... Ah my office just got a bit of a shock after I literally LOL'd there. Thanks bud, made my morning

I'd say once he clunks his 12th grab and slots through his 5th people would become aroused. Whoops, sorry, I mean suspicious

I agree that his output hasn't been acceptable however you can't compare goals. Gawn played 90% of his time up forward and 10% in the ruck. Jamar was the opposite. I don't think he is the type to take a few bounces down the members wing and slot one from 55 either

Depends on the person being drafted. 1. They could be the type of person who likes being led, happy to have a crack and just follow suit then you're right, the MFC is not the best place to be. 2. They have the type of character who does not accept losing, does not accept mediocrity from himself or his team mates and plans to give everything they have to make this club great again helping to lift us from this doom and gloom they have the opportunity to become a legend in the process, someone who will be remembered as a great of our club forever. Let's recruit more of the second type.

Just read in the report on the website from Misson that he dropped a 50kg weight on his toe. I couldn't help but laugh a little thinking thats just a typical MacDonald thing to do. Ahh Joely boy, love his efforts, hate his brain fades

Sorry Deemolition but I agree with Django here. I have seen him working one on one with Gawn and Spencil multiple times and when he speaks, they listen. Although yes, around the ground I agree with most in that he does not have the impact he once had but let's not forget his primary role in winning the taps in which he still holds his own. Until young Maximus has fully developed then Jamar is a must keep. If that takes the three years of his most likely final contract then that is fine. I have been lucky enough to speak with the Rush before and was hugely impressed. He is a confident and intelligent person who has a great passion for our beloved dees. If you haven't had that priviledge I suggest some people should have a look through some deetv footage and have a listen to him speaking, you won't be unimpressed. He is a leader that has always been a dee which team mates would have in higher regard than some leaders we have brought in. Why he was removed from the leadership group this year I have absolutely no idea but I would love to know if this has had an effect on his game day mentality as he openly admitted it hurt him. His All Australian year he was an animal at smashing packs all the time and was great chopping out in front of forwards in that space. I have no idea where that Rush has gone but I would be forever in someones debt if they could bring him back

Good Calls - Tom Gillies was shocked why we would want him. Made me wonder if anyone had ever seen him play. - Gysberts won't have any effect at the Roos - Morton won't get a game with the Eagles - Freo will be genuine contenders Bad Calls - Dees to win about 10 - Dees to seriously push some top teams - Eagles to play off against Freo/Sydney for the flag - All doubters of Watts will finally shut up. - Mark Neeld is our savior

I really like this analogy here jnrmac (and I hope you don't mind me stealing it for another time). In this case however I don't agree with it. All see the mangy dog but few notice the bone he has and even less know he will rip there arm off if someone tries to take it. That's how I feel towards the MFC, its mine, I love it, always will. No one will take it from me. In looking at other comments in this thread, I still struggle with the idea of how changing the board will have any effect on us climbing the ladder. I said this in another thread, without Dicker before Kennett and the fortunate time they had high picks (netting a star leader in Hodge and a marketers dream in Franklin) I doubt Hawthorn would be anywhere near where they are now. Other than picking the coach, which in hindsight we shanked, I don't understand how Jeff Kennett or anyone else could get us more wins. More times than not he is driving Hawthorn players/coaches/supporter insane with some of the trash coming out of his mouth.

This is what really worries me. I worry that the players have given up under him and don't believe they can win with him there. Just watching the game again (glutton for punishment) there is so much frustration at each other, confusion on faces and finger pointing going on it's ridiculous. Would have loved an insights to the players mindset at quarter time to know if they thought they could win this or were they just waiting for the flood gates to open. I still draw hope however from watching the Jones' smash through packs, watching Col play his heart out, watching T Mc run off his man into space and Dawes crashing packs and ripping opponents heads off in tackles.

So many Jacks and so many Jones' My god I hope there is a Jack Jones out there somewhere we can get our hands on

I think the great case for this is the 2002 VFL premiership in which a core of superstars got there first taste of success. Ablett Bartel Hunt Johnson Kelly Chapman Look where these guys ended up...

I'd be careful what you wish for there Django. I don't think Don should be getting his back up everytime someone takes a dig at our club. If he did he would be paying a lot of his hard earned towards chiros. He knows the dire situation and the last thing we want is him out in the media firing back at everyone looking like is losing his control. Firstly, I really think most people completely under value the work Ian Dicker did prior. Jeff definitely would be in the field of a 'strongly spoken' individual but I still believe he is just being an attention seeker here. Most Hawthorn supporters never took to him and he was continually in the media for the wrong reasons. Even players had to cover for him at times when he ran his mouth (remember when he compared homosexuals to paedohiles or something alike). Also, Jeff's position was made a great deal easier by the football team himself. Just prior to him becoming president Hawthorn had already bottomed out and received some absolute superstars via prior drafts in Hodge, Mitchell, Birchall and Roughead. His job was made even easier when arguably one of the most exciting players of all time in Franklin arrived which straight away added another 20,000 bums on seats and set up supporters for another generation. Unfortunately our bottoming out didn't net the same results.

I think we have to retain him for another year if he want's to stay on. Who know's, he might want to have a spell. For to long we have been showing the door to many players, some who deserve it, some who don't. The spirits of the one's who didn't deserve it will continue to haunt the MFC with lingering effects. If he still shows a bit and wants to stay on then definitely keep him for another year. Hopefully this show of devotion from both player and MFC has positive effects on the culture and the next generation of players can see the MFC is somewhere to start and finish your career. Also from speaking to a couple players I have met and watching training it's obvious he is loved by the playing the group. They lift a bit when he is out there and we can't afford to lose another person who is seen as a leader after losing Riv last year.

I love Davis' effort from the couple Casey games I have seen but this match up will be some-what reminiscent of Zac Dawson playing on Ant Rocca... we all remember how that ended up. Cloke is a beast and can chop up the best when he gets his mojo up. He man handles Chip at times. I don't mind Sellar as he is a tryer but that's really it. Still he is our only option and I squirm while writing that

That is just a gorgeous post

Yep, what a hack You can't prepare for injuries in a contact sport unfortunately its just one of those things that happens and happens to all clubs. I think it hits us worse than most due honour lack of depth. If you knew that the Pav and Sandi would be out all year who would rate the Dockers this highly? Shows how good they are... And how good we ain't

I love Joely Mac just for his attack on the pill and have been saying for a while he should be played as a defensive half forward. The reasons being not only he works his backside off to beat his man one on one but his kicking and decision making won't hurt us so much if he is putting it forward rather than clearing from defence. I think he offers a lot more there than Dunn and his wannabe agro.

The two boys you mentioned were both high risk high reward, very sad they didn't work out but both are involved in some of my most enjoyable moments of being a supporter over the last few years. Even when we were bad, they entertained and gave a reason to go to the games. Would love that Pennant if you could complete a report for us, would be simply fantastic Cheers mate

Agreed I shuttered at the thought of picking him last year thinking it was the last thing our young list would need. I also had an opinion that he would never make anything of himself, just have a sulk and we would never hear of him again. Now I haven't seen him play this year at all, Pennant St Dee you have and say he doesn't work hard off the ball. Surely this is something you learn more as you get older? Considering there is no tagging allowed in TAC comps (and I am sure it's the same in the WA equivalent) I'd say most players out of these systems don't work hard enough off the ball when they come into the big leagues. Once upon a time Demonland was split between who to make captain for our beloved dees. Brad Green or Aaron Davey. There was a lot of faith in Flash being able to complete the job. Sure he squibbed a contest, struggled breaking a tag and went missing for a couple years but he is still a hugely loved figure around the club and is highly respected by his team mates. Every training session I have been too you can see the way his team mates lift when he does something good. They love him. I really think Flash would be super at mentoring Dayle and Dayle would love every moment of the support he would get. I think we need to take a punt on him. We desperately need talent, any form and this kid oozes it. As a role player (goal kicking FP/FF) he is also exactly what we need. And to be racking up the numbers he is in that sort of quality it's very hard to look past him.

He is back! And I am excited! http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/shunned-young-gun-dayle-garlett-says-he-is-a-changed-man-and-ready-for-afl-football/story-e6frf9jf-1226652508331 Now I was last year in the "please don't go near" camp, but after this year... well not sure we could do much worse. Has been playing some great footy in the WAFL which I believe is pretty close with VFL standards. Could we do any worse?

Oh no....

I agree with where you say what 'should' happen out of the back line, that's where we need Watts & Strauss to really come along but I have my worries there. Against Gold Coast I sat on the forward flank at the Punt Road end and I can remember him kicking the ball twice over Dawes head (noting he was battling two Suns) to big Maximus who also was continually out numbered. I thought Dawes was used as more of the decoy in his first outing then a CHF. Not sure if this was Col's random thinking or more of a team strategy. By this stage Howe was behind the pill and Tappy was just lumbering around. I do remember once however he didn't lower the eyes and kicked it 50m to no one but I still think that's just panic footy with little other option. The delivery was better against the Tiges as I am not sure they really turned up to play and we gave it everything... for once. Also the fact Flash got a few touches makes a massive difference. But back on topic, although our Colin is a curious case, I really think we can't afford to lose him

I really rate Daisy (as my previous comments probably suggest) and I think he is an A grader but is just over shadowed in that outfit by Swan and Pendlebury who are two of the very best. I would love us to chase him and chase him hard. I do agree however with your query around would he inspire/mentor our younger players. I don't know anything about him off the field honestly but it's a good point. Instead of Judd, what are your thoughts on Simon Black? As from his effort as a sub for a quarter and last weeks first half against the bombers all I can say (and still say after 12 years of watching him) is WOW!!

And kick the pill to who?? The endless amount of team mates who spread for him? I'd rather him kick down the line 55m for a 5% chance of a mark then kick it sideways/backwards for a 5% chance to retain it. No one has ever brought up his kicking ability before and he is easily still one of the best kicks in the team. It's just this year the options when he has the pill have dried up.

I must completely over rate some players after reading some of the comments in these threads for those people who think Daisy is soft and the Col is not needed. I wonder what he really has to do to earn the respect of some people here, it sounds like anything under 30 touches and 5 goals is not good enough. Let's all agree that he is never going to be that star player, he will never win a brownlow and he will probably never win a coaches award for being the king of 1 percenters like our Jordie continually does. Also, he is not a leaders boot lace but that's not his fault. Some people are born with it, others aren't. Why should be try turn him into one?? Memories of Brad Green flood back. He is a genuine HFF who has stints on the ball, ala Chappy or Stevey J and no I am not putting him anywhere near the standards of those two but his position should be similar 75% in the forward line with a chop out on the ball. Maybe if the ball was forward a bit more we would see some more Col action. Now from the half way mark last year (and after coming back from a big injury pre season) he averaged 22 touches and a goal a game which I don't think is to bad in a team that was complete filth. This year, removing the Essendon disgrace and noting our team is even worse than last year he is still averaging 20 touches and a goal. This is his limit and I don't know why so many would be happy to see a player getting these numbers leave. Most will say that he is continually kicking long to no one which watching, yes I agree, but also from being at the games he has stuff all options to kick to, we all agree there is no spread and without Clarke or Dawes I'd probably rather kick it to an opposition player than Sellar as well. We continually cry out for decent grade mids and the one player we have with some talent people are happy to see the back of.