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As another sidebar, (this time speculation, so Rhino take a Mogadon) what do you reckon AD will resign within 3 months of any infraction notices issued and before the whole mess ends up in court, or do you think he will brave the fires of cross examination? My two cents is that it won't just be EFC and ASADA getting a toasting and the AFL board will have to push accept the fat controllers resignation.

Remember the pack feeding mentality of the press, they will do everything to beat this up and get as much out of the 'free agency story' they can. Some stay and some go, $ was a liar, Frawley however deserves the benefit of the doubt and I'm not going to let the press reporting on this subject freak me out. I would however be morose and foul tempered should the big bugger leave the club-far beyond what is a reasonable amount of emotion to invest in a sports team.

I'm not arguing EFC guilt, think of it as a sidebar only, this episode will reflect badly on ASADA when all is said and done. Plenty of people have been found guilty while the 'Police' have been criticized by the bench. Your analysis of the rest of the case appears forensic, and I appreciate reading it.

My source is excellent and better yet without agenda, certainly no interest in winning a forum brouhaha, Point 1 we are saying the same thing, semantic differences. I am simply saying two things, one ASADA is in trouble with its conduct and two, it is interesting to me (and i dared to presume maybe to some others with interest in the fourth estate) when a newspaper (even a toilet rag like the hun) allows the sort of conduct that went on. That the EFC is in deep kaka seems well established and well commented on, after x pages i was only wanting to add something that i had very good mail on. (And that had a period of time since i heard it). And it did not come from anywhere near windy hill.

My mail is quite a bit different-WADA issues the doping 'criminal code'. ASADA is meant to apply it nationally as a quasi enforcement body. That has not happened, where ASADA is in knots, is that it approved the peptide that was in the 'other' category, despite WADA guidelines that this should not be done. ASADA has in effect given incorrect advice and not adhered to WADA policy the way they should have. That EFC took it to far in other areas is likely, but ASADA's incorrect actions remains the biggest story yet to come out of the process. This whole saga has destroyed relationships at the highest level AFL CEO and the News limited xo for Aus are no longer speaking (it remains unparalleled that the AFL investigator was allowed to interview News limited journalists with them instructed to answer questions about their sources). ASADA credibility will be destroyed at the end of this process. That Dank is a worm is also clear. Edit: the interview of HS journos took place inside news limited offices with the MD telling them to answer the questions, some have since taken legal advice and a few ended up working from home until new Limited management saw their relationship with the AFL had gone too far. I understand that this has been touched on before and referenced since in the news, (i don't read the HS) but my mail on ASADA is what i wanted to contribute, will not name the source but trust them with everything.

Solid, totally happy with the arrangement.

I look at the award as emphasising how much of a nong eddie is... Goodes was just a suitable vehicle for the message (and a brilliant footballer). But seriously racism does exist in Oz, we're not the worst or best, BUT it is a cancer in any society and I don't want it in ours. Sport does happen to be one of the best vehicles for changing hearts and minds. I too am over sports people being held up as character models, it's generally a mistake, however if the prize committee thought this was a good way to address an issue they thought was topical I reckon they got it about right. I don't think it was a call for self-flagellation and sack-cloth or a need for anyone to feel guilty.

G. Lyon '94 & '95, D.Neitz avg. 72 in '02, '03 & '04

Sadly the only footy I'm going to see live in 2014 is training after none in 2013 (not that I missed much) am hoping there is something on between 20 Dec and 5 Jan. Of course if we make finals everything changes... It will be the first time my son sees 'Daddy's football'.

NRL must be loving this, for so long they have been the red headed step child when it comes to sports admin, they must enjoy the spotlight on AD.

Wow, ever tried breathing through your nose? Your really have no clue and i have been sucked in by a troll, really wish i hadn't had a beer so i could just ignore this crud. In other teams they would have laid some shepherds for a player like Davey, when Black was a skinny kid he had plenty of protection. He got market price for his skills in a team that couldn't use them and i'm very glad he played for Melbourne because he still made me feel proud of the club. Anyone of his size with the heart to go the field is brave, if you want to rail against something whinge about the fact that his hamstrings didn't last. Even Buckley who was a tank couldn't get past dodgy hamstrings.

I'll bite... What a weak ignorant comment 'one trick pony' i saw the guys he ran down, massive size differential, hugely brave. I'll take that one trick pony any day of the week. He was smaller than Flower and when his hamstrings went so did his best weapon. You do acknowledge the hamstrings but your comment on hardness is just wrong and i reckon quite rude. And has been said before he changed the way the game is played and got more attention than just about anyone else in our shizen side from the opposition.

sorry MF all the way, Case is alright but because it took on IH, JD was always too yankie.

I have read a couple of articles and posts that suggest Clark could play ruck. Not sure what everyone else thinks but I am not keen on this idea as I think he is only middle of the road as a ruck but dominant as a forward. I also understood that he himself didn't love rucking. I'm happy for our rucks like Gawn to learn their trade rather than robbing peter to pay paul. The bulldogs have Minson who is a stellar ruck but he also has had excellent rovers running around him, they also fall into a big hole when they go forward. I feel we would end up like that with Clark not settled as a forward as we move forward with our shiny new toys next year. Without doubt the pain of the last six years has been worse that '76-'84 for me personally but I do believe our centre will improve with the new regime and having a settled forward line (and back six) will be gold, and I think Clark needs to be the forward leader not pinch hitting. When we were not a rabble I always though we struggled in the back for a key FB and while having some awesome forwards and brilliant goal kickers we did struggle to keep them on the park (as I think WJ noted in another post how we were cruelled by injuries during the Balme era). Any thoughts, anyone awake back home in Oz?

I like he still showed plenty of awareness when off his feet, lets see.

I've got no problem with the payout, except if I know you'd rather be doing something else anyway (and it's in the bag) I'd discuss terms. In terms of Craig as a coach at the MFC, and whether he did or didn't do his job with Neeld, I reckon he'd have a good argument about the club management.

How can he take the payout, if he has a contract with another club, then its a mutually agreed decision?

You could be right, but Rockliff is ready to go now, which is what we want and the reason we're trading the bloody pick. Also for what it's worth I reckon he'd be fine as a pick 2. The reason someone like him might become available (for the good reason you mentioned-time invested) is that they need a KPF at the lions badly.

A relief to read something other than 'poor us we're the red headed step child of the afl'. The club has taken huge steps forward in terms of management, let's breathe 'selah' pause and consider, and see what we get we have all the pieces in place to recruit or trade well. And as for this squealing about a two tier competition, I choose to believe that when we have the cattle we will be able to pay them. And for what's its worth we're not unconnected in the world of business. I am truly sick of this poor me attitude some are displaying saying we're going to be raped of all our good players.

Weather is perfect for kicking the Sherrin, Sheeps Meadow in Central Park, is the place to be, I'm usually playing ultimate with a bunch of under employed actors during lunch 12-2pm but can usually coax one or two into a bit of kick to kick. Likewise the club sends my stuff through to NY, they had a bit of drama with some merchandise this year but the new manager was onto it and sent my stuff on post haste once he was aware of the delay. I was most satisfied, and love training in my MFC kit, sadly most yanks still get it confused with rugby...

fair enough, live by the sword and all that, I for one would be prepared to donate all my sodium diclofenac to Chappy to play for us as I do think he is Hamill like in his toughness and the inspiration he provides to the rest of the team.

I always thought he was the karma protecting some of the younger saints? I never really felt like he sniped anyone who didn't deserve it. RGRS, yeah thats a fair point Carlton didn't want to lose him, didn't he have a falling out with Elliot? ( always loved him for that)

Sydney and the other northern clubs remain a very exotic novelty, that if taken out of their deluxe life support unit (AFL special favours) would die (think the old fart in Prometheus). All the chicken littles need to take a bex and have a lie down. Sydney needs a show pony, thats how its business model works and in Franklin, meh... I'd rather lose him than Frawley. What would keep me up is if Collingwood decides they like Hogan. This recruitment goes against the synergy created at sydney where the sum of the players was greater than their parts i think the other players will feel much less love for the club and be poached more easily. Richmond and the Hawks have handled the FA very well, i only hope we have the same grace under pressure when it comes.

I reckon he's just the sought of kid junior could take under his wing. I'd consider it.

Aaron Hamill says hi, yes he was injured but he put the fear of god into the opposition whenever he was on the park.