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Well we can still draft Dylan Stephens, because he might’ve played for SA but I believe he’s from Red Cliffs/Mildura in Victoria. Doubt there’s a go home factor there. I think it’s important not to overate accumulating stats in the SANFL form. Players do seem to rack up stats, but they also lacked the athleticism to play well at AFL level. If Stephens has the fitness, speed and contested ball ability there’s no reason not to take him.

44 list spots plus Cat B. If it were up to me I'd always have plenty of young talls making their way through. If they succeed you can fill gaps cheaply or trade them away for value. A 3rd ruckman alone might be a waste of a spot but another 200cm versatile tall project would be a worthwhile investment. The 30 best players should be able to cover most spots with some kids getting games as well, so there's about 10 spots plus cat B that should be used on developmental prospects. To get the next Gawn or next Stef Martin then you have to have a variety of prospects coming through.

I was going to say that. I don’t even know if it’s allowed. The only way would be to approach one particularly friendly manager who has multiple Melbourne players and an interest in screwing Carlton. Maybe you bump all the salaries for backending the deals and the manger therefore makes extra commission. Anyway, the point is we aren’t going to have a desperate public campaign to sign Martin. If he’s not immediately interested then it has to be done quietly.

The NGA's have 2 parts: Indigenous and Multicultural. Indigenous talent was previously not assigned in Darwin. Multicultural talent in Darwin was split between the 5 teams with zones in other parts of NT. I'm not sure if that multicultural split still remains with the clubs and how it works if players are both Indigenous and Multicultural. What a farce.

We have 2 ways to land Martin. 1) Convice him that we are a great fit for him, playing midfield as the handball receiver and swapping forward with Tracc. Then he structures his contract in a way we can sign him. 2) Back all interest off and hope his manager and Carlton get complacent and don’t overly front load his contract. Then we quietly restructure existing players before pouncing on draft night. I think we’ve tried option 1. Now it’s time for option 2. It’s going to require stealth and precision and still might not be possible.

I’d argue for Charlie Curnow and Darcy Moore as absolute blue chippers. But my stronger argument is that there’s no blue chippers left at pick 3 so what we really need is to get a classy player. 2016 draft. Pick 11: Oli Florent. Pick 12: Jy Simpkin. If you could lock in a player of that quality at pick 6 then I’d do the deal immediately. It’s the Salem for Billings style decision, but this time there’s no Josh Kelly and if there’s a Bont I can’t see it.

This. And pick 7 is a great pick!

If you're worrying about deficiencies too much then you're missing out on some seriously good highlights as well. - Quick and super accurate hands, releases team mates perfectly with both hands - Nice baulk and fakes to set up hands - Lovely footwork to create room around a stoppage, he doesn't get caught in at the contest - Excellent reading of the play both at stoppages and as a forward There's a craftiness that from our list only Salem, Oliver, Jetta, maybe Fritsch/Petracca and at his best Nath Jones have. I'd like to see more linebreaking and he does kick across his body a bit and slice the ball low (which honestly isn't always a bad thing). And yes the lack of size is a worry too. But there's a really high level of footy smarts on display.

Where's the evidence of this? I thought it was 44 players max on the senior and Cat A list. 38/6, 39/5 or 40/4. Then up to 3 cat B rookies. You can add more rookies as the season goes on if you place guys on the long term injury/retired inactive lists. But to start the season it's 44.

Fat, slow, injured. And looked about 5 years older than he was. Put a string of decent games together and seemingly had the skills but not the athleticism.

Yep sign him up and draft the kick who punched him in the head as well, that's old school defending.

Wylie Buzza just got delisted. He could be our Tim Smith somewhat ok key forward depth option.

Where abouts? If we can drag him to Eastern Europe I think our odds of a successful kidnapping increase significantly

There's no way to convince him if we can't even talk to him. And there's no way to talk to him if there's no threat of us taking him because his contract is impossible to match. In fact the best way to get him might be to deny any interest at all and hope Carlton and his manager then relax on the contract demands and put him in to the draft with something we can match. What's the plan here guys? Hostage situation?

He reminds me most of Elliot Yeo. Who's one of my least favourite players in the comp but also one of the best. I don't think he has near the skills or smarts of Bont, but the athleticism and size is very Yeo like.

He can dictate his contract. Given Carlton were willing to pay him 700k and Papley 900k and got neither of them the assumption is he could nominate with his 4 years at 700k but structured as year 1 - 1.5 M, years 2-4 433k per year. Doubt those are the real numbers or if it would go anything near that high but the rumoured 600k we had for Elliott or some other mystery forward would have to be stretched a long way and there's every chance we've already spent that on frontloading Tomlinson and Langdon. I don't know how much you can change existing contracts and the impact on the salary cap. Plus I'm assuming we have a bush league system where the Martin contract as above is counted against the cap in a similar way instead of a smoothing of cap numbers over the length of the deal. Frontloading should only be allowed up to a certain percentage (ie. 50% over the average figure and not 200%).

Zak’s not a wingman, plays his best footy on ball or at half back. Contested players without great skills on the wing isn’t a recipe for success. Langdon doesn’t have great skills but is a more natural runner. Tomlinson was free (from draft capital). I would’ve liked Zak but you have to draft and develop as well. Can’t be throwing 500k+ and 2nd rounders at every gap

There's a chance when we missed out on Elliott we heavily frontloaded Tomlinson and Langdon to buy us flexibility in the future. I'm not sure it's possible to rework deals to create more room, so we really could be low on cap flexibility for 2020.

That's from a herald sun article in 2016. My questions about Stephens are: 1. What's his contested ball percentage? 2. Does he have Brad Hill or Whitfield style speed/endurance that it almost doesn't matter.

A team that finished 4th a year ago easily could. It's obvious we've got money tied up in our backline and in the midfield - especially with 2 expensive wingers bought in and Petracca, Harmes, Viney all out of contract. Then Fritsch out of contract as a forward. We targeted Elliott and my guess is it was for about 600k. Martin was rumoured to be offered 700k for Carlton and if he heads to the PSD they'll look to ward off other interests by structuring that to make it uncomfortable. Should be able to make room for him but it might be the kind of deal that puts us in salary cap trouble next year and then we have to ship out a good player cheaply like the Pies/GWS have done. How exactly do we get compensated by Carlton for letting him slide? A one sided trade of draft picks on draft night maybe? But the AFL might not be too happy about that. I'm not even sure it's allowed.

I'm a big fan but I don't think he has the x factor to be the number 1 small forward, I prefer him as the number 2 small forward rotating up through the midfield or even getting a go at half back after a preseason. We need 1 more x factor forward but we can get bye pretty well if the whole forward line takes a big step forward with a functional structure, much cleaner entries and defensive pressure for all of the forwards. A combination of Betts, Rioli and Charlie Cameron all in 1 would've struggled last year.

Just had a look at the points deficit rules, I thought you could rack up a big tab but seems I'm wrong. So if we trade 3 for 6 and the Green bid comes at pick 4 (2034 points), less a 20% discount becomes 1627. Assuming these rules are correct the most the Giants can carry over next year (less a first round pick) would be 1723 - 985 = 738 (less if they use pick 19 rather than pick 18). https://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-12/afl-closes-draft-bidding-system-loophole So the Giants would need 889 points in this years draft which they don't have. They've really stuffed up not getting an extra 2nd rounder so they can offer us more and have the flexibility to match any bid with a deficit.

40+59 = 32 based on points. Could be a team in the 30's somewhat interested in that. 6, 32, future first has me at least interested.