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Well that's wrong. We already have father sons, as well & academy's,. so the draft on its own doesn't work, because you get clubs 'list management' going on, to get a preferred player.

Your missing the point CB, the national draft still exists. But the first few top kids get to stay local. Its not like the old zone recruitment area, with no draft. I agree, it was lousy & unbalanced, but in today's schools environment, & the effort parents, teachers,, & clubs put into teaching kids its all very different. It just helps keep up to 3 top kids at home, per year, per club. This would also bring back the interstate clubs academy's back to the field, as they would also be restricted to just 3 free picks, before any bidding started for other academy kids.

Certainly not that dread & blue print. I want the mentor way to help these kids stay on the road to winning flags. Talent is not enough, once talent has entered the building, its finished & then the mind starts the winning or losing ways. Leave your ego's at the door, & pick them up on the way out. cleaned & folded.

I disagree strongly, there is far too much of interstate players wanting to leave to go home. This is bad for supporters who get attached, & it is for the clubs losing these star players. Each club should have an academy of scholarship kids from within their own designated zones which the clubs will develop & nurture. Each club should have 3 pre-draft selections per draft for their choice from their academy group. Father/Sons should be included in this 3 pre-draft selections. After the clubs have nominated their 3 pre-draft selections, any other academy kids should be open to being selected in the national draft on a bidding system, as we have now. This helps supporters, with local Hero's staying home, so the Tribalism returns back to the game. It keeps local Heros's local. And it encourages clubs to interact within their own zones. Bringing back a communal closeness to the AFL's clubs.

Brown, Gold. Gold, Brown, whats da diff? Its the new age Hawks, and plastic bags are out. But I wonder if its delivered these days by carrier Goss Hawk, or flyin Drones.

If/when we get our academy, we can do likewise. All clubs should have a junior academy from say 16 yr olds +. a schooling scholarship, & taught under elite coaching, but only playing school & Tac cup until say 17yrs minimum, then play VFL from 17yrs, if or when they're ready. But not allowing footy to get in the way of school studies up to Yr 12.

More aggression at their footy, to intimidate oppos. And to instill a real hard self belief in themselves. They are the kids of the backwater crows after all. They have to get over that hurdle.

thanks CB

which radio station KC, do you have a link, no tv today?

It could, but also it could reverse back to old ways ingrained, without Clarko at the helm. The key denominator is Clarko himself, & the Hawthorn club itself. Its culture from its old players, to its supporter base, to keep things on the rails. Nope, we are better without any old boys who have failed at the Mfc in the past. Keep them away for changes sake. And our long term cultures sake. We need change of influences, away from the old club (recent), & from the Mcc. This is where soft envelops the Mfc.

No, your right that they had talents. But when the going got tough, they got going, the other way. Talk about Morton. Those boys learnt their stuff with us, from ours. Our culture was woeful. soft, talented but soft lazy & for the individual to show off. All good Hollywood stuff.

They epitomized our soft front runner culture, which they learnt from our club when young, but weren't leaders enough to go against this culture, to turn it around, & change it. They are not Nathan Jones's bootlace.

In a different environment & culture, lets not start a new Ol' boys club. They played here & amateurishly. That's enough, not here for their retirement funds as well.

Yes, but swings and roundabouts, we can get a 2nd Rnd pick back in for Hibberd via horse trading, after we get the Hogan contract sorted.

Good to hear he hasn't been dragging his tail Jack.

Trade him now if he's grumbling, Freo's 2016 1st Rnd pick, plus they're 2017 1st Rnd pick & Barlow or similar ; for Hogan + our 2016 2nd Rnd pick. I'll be OK with that.

The clubs who can roll the dice with injuries are the power clubs, with elite foundations, set in stone. We're not there yet.

Yes, but the pair of threes come very cheap; on high quality paper, just not big on trumping others hands. But with the hawks spell weaving, magic often happens. All of a sudden, you may have 2 Kings?

Give him time with the Hawks attitudes & culture, They straitened our Frawley. He'll need another two seasons, & I reckon he'll fill out and grow mature They will compete against one another. Creating competition to improve. A team list isn't a pack of playing cards where you have one of each.

We need 2 of them. A 22 something from another club, who wants to come home. And we need a mature tried & tested follower type, but whom has injuries, or hasn't the opportunities they would like, that won't cost us valuable draft picks.

We're looking for a cheap fillip, to tide us over as our young ones mature. Trouble is many clubs are looking as well.

So was Kreuzer last year. Hip. we missed out there.

Hehas the leap, now he has size on his frame. Currently others in front of him. I think he can become that follower. I think he is athletic enough, & quick enough.

http://www.sandringhamfc.com.au/player-list.aspx He's just filled out, time to pounce, before he does find belief.

Lloyd is no list management expert P-man. His thinking is just 'inside the box', & that's about it.