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What you don't seem to get is that the players that put in were mightily peeved at JW for his cavalier attitude. They like Jack but were sick of him. From the horses mouth. He forfeited the right to be here because he refused to put in. The players lo e Bayley Fritsch because he bleeds for the club. Something JW was incapable of doing.

You can rant all you like. His year at Port really just puts an exclamation mark on the point that he is a downhill skier. Would add nothing to our side because he doesn't put in. Bayley Fritsch, a first year player, beats him in nearly every key stat. Jog on.

So stop your Bullshiite. Improvement was not always going to happen. It just doesnt happen. It requires players that are invested in getting the best out of themselves and making personal sacrifices for the betterment of the team. Witness Gawn over the pre-season losing 9kgs or Oliver losing all his weight and choosing to swim 100kms over summer, or Brayshaw running 100x 100s on Christmas day. Watts was never like that. Came back from a great Xmas and promptly got dropped for all of the pre-season games because he didnt do the required work over the break. He was a lazy coaster with talent. Sylvia got more out of himself than Watts ever did but lazy arsed players like that can never be relied upon to put in at all times. They pick and choose. And in a footyclub that is a cancerous attitude. Jack from all reports is a ripping bloke but doesn't really care about footy. That is great. Just not at my club. He is best gone.

Time to target Oliver..was what they said...hmmmm how well did that work for you?

Some choice quotes from WCE BigFooty forum: THOSE USELESS ****IN GREEN MAGGOTS They couldn't suck Melbourne's dick any harder, they climaxed on the Umps face so hard. [censored] THOSE NON HTBs , [censored] MELBOURNE, [censored] VICTORIA, Damn THIS TEAM, [censored] BT, [censored] THOSE GREEN MAGGOTS AGAIN - ******* lol at that umpiring. Outstanding effort to get Melbourne over the line, brown paper bag stuff. Maggots with the reverse affirmation which is no accident. Negatives: Umpires cheating, congrats AFL you got what you wanted. Was only listening on the radio but it sounds like we were shafted pretty hard by the umpiring in that first quarter. The commentators couldn't believe some of the non calls. Negatives: - VFL umpiring. If that continues for Melbourne then it’s obvious that they’re the next Western Bulldogs who won GF with umps turning a blind eye to throwing. Today we saw continuous throwing, incorrect disposal, HTB, high tackles, Holding the man, scragging and stray elbows continuously not paid against the Dee’s. Pathetic. Mulldog Anyone at all surprised that Oscar McDonald was cleared for his tackle on Darling? One arm pinned, hint of a downwards drive in the tackle and a player out of the game with concussion. CN9000:The umpiring was certainly perplexing today, to say the least. The AFL recently had a inquiry into the supposed "advantage" we receive, and I think today was symptomatic of their attempt to fix a non existent problem - the amount of non calls alone is testament to that fact. I'm guessing they instructed the Victorian based umps they brought in (also part of the "solution") to hold back on calling blantent frees, to lesson the amount of free kicks in the game and let it "flow" more. Are you serious? Did the AFL actually have an enquiry into this?? The problem was Hocking (No 16) who deserved all of the criticism directed at the umps. It looked as crooked as you can get.

Ha! I posted the table on the west coast eagles thread on BigFooty saying "I'll just leave this here..." and they deleted it!

Gawn was blocked on the goal line by Rioli in the decision that went to the review. Rioli just charged at Gawn to stop him from jumping at the ball. The free against Spargo for holding Barass could just as easily been paid to Spargo for Barass holding Spargo away from the ball. Oliver was held at every centre bounce. There are plenty......

Well it is when you have your pants on

Great table. An absolute statistical outlier and a disgrace that needs to be looked at. In the last 11 years only 12 times has a team had a +/- differential greater than 75. West Coast have had 5 and all plus. They have never had a negative free kick year in the last 16 years. Hawthorn had one. -99 in the year they played 'unsociable fotball' Bulldogs had one +112 in their permiership year when they got away with throwing everything as well. Geelong had have two (one a GF year) Port, Brisbane, Carlton have had one. Pull your finger out AFL and do something about this.

Final count is correct.. I'm saying it was incredibly lopsided after 1/4 time.

I watched the game and I think that is harsh. Put in the hard yards on a horrible day. Would pick him over Garlett in a heartbeat. And given GWS are quick he could come in and do a run with role or fwd pressure role easily.

(yawn) which bit of 4 good games in 150 do you not get? A player that was on the list for 9 long years? Not treated harshly at all. Was told exactly what he had to do and failed to do it. Has the distinction of being dropped by every single senior coach he has had. He even dropped himself. 1 top 5 finish in the B&F. Says it all. Worse at the Bluey presentation when he got up to speak he unbelievably said words to the effect "its taken me a while to get up here (to speak at the B&F). Normally I'm down there drinking the free [censored]. I guess I now know what it takes." He then came back from the summer break and was dropped for all pre season games because his skin folds weren't right and his training regime was not as it should have been. Goodwin rightly said 'I am going on holdays and this bloke had better not be here when I get back'. You don't create success with people like Jack Watts at your club. You create success with people like Harmes, Viney, Max and others that bust a gut. Coasters like Watts are cancerous in a club because young players come in and see that senior players aren't working hard why should they. Good on the club for taking the hard decision. And I would also bet that the players would now say we are better without him.

I support the club. Players come and go. Yes Dunn stuck with us and it wasn't his decision to leave us. When he is finished playing I will remember him perhaps more fondly. Dunn I remember sending out a barrel against St Kilda at Etihad and Roos went apoplectic. Dunn I think never played again for us. Refused to follow instructions and thought he knew better. I remember his wild celbrations when the Filth knocked us out of the finals in rd 23 last year. Over the top. In the infamous Richmond game where Jordan McMahon kicked the winner after the siren, it was Dunn who led the player revolt in the middle of the ground and later created mischief for the club in the tanking investigation (along with Brock McLean the nowhere man - or Carlton legend ha ha). So maybe in 20 yrs I might forgive Dunn. But not for now.

err it was 15 to 8 after 1/4 time....

Gatt would have been watching yesterday... would surely have been impressed... Norf? Seriously?

Gil has to go. NFI.

Seems to get involved in a scragging contest at every centre bounce now. Not happy with that...

We'll know on Sunday evening whether he was right or wrong. In any case there is a job to be done. I have criticised Goodwin for his absolute monotone straight bat media appearances but I think if it is ever going to be a case of keeping the players grounded he is probably the man to do it. In fairness he was very measured in our losses (and our wins) so he is likely to keep the players focused this week. But if we don't lay a tackle in the first 15mins against GWS I take all of that back....:)

He has but didn't Sheppherd just waltz away from him while bouncing the ball. He's super quick!

Pederson could well get a gig at GC or Freo...or Crapton

There are some very funny comments in the Eagles supporters forums. - Melbourne are much dirtier than I thought - the umpires were cheating blatantly. Holding the ball doesnt exist for them. The amount of whining was unreal. - AVB should have been reported for his hit on Cripps as it could have broken his neck

The club is saying it is a corked hammy done in a marking contest

We have been crying out for a long time for a team where 22 players have a ferocious attack on the ball. We are getting pretty close and the pressure for spots will now intensify even more. Great stuff.

Well we weren't wrong were we? 15 to 8 after the 1st qtr.......

I don't even think it will be a fine. He was bracing for contact while trying to get the ball. Rioli slid in low and got collected. Nothing Vanders could have done. The free that Cripps got for Vanders trying to spoil was als a BS decision. Free goal to them probably only offset by the non-free against Tyson on the goal line....