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And if someone hadn’t left Blake Acres on his own in the goal square with a minute to go in last years semi we’d be above 70k, that wasn’t the boards fault..

If we want a hard headed ex-player to lead us out of this mess, let’s go hard header-ed than Gaz..

This is it. I’m as flat as anyone that we haven’t got there for a second flag on the G but the drama on here is overblown. They’re hard to win.

My point is people seem to think we’re in some unprecedented dive towards folding the club. We’re not even losing as many players as the Tigers are (after Dimma bailed on everyone for a better deal) and we’re starting from a stronger position. It’s obviously not ideal but the only confirmed out is ANB, and Trac seemingly if a deal can be done. The club will be fully operational in 2025.

It is happening to another club, Richmond is haemorrhaging players on an hourly basis. They won 2 games! Where the 24/7 watch on tiger land?

Well sure but they’re in charge.. My point was more that if they don’t trust themselves to make the decisions they should go, no indications so far that they don’t. Whether demonlanders want an external review right now or not is a bit irrelevant because it’s not up to us.

Thats Richo’s job, and Pert’s job and they then report to the board. An external review is not some magic spell where a kindly football wizard comes in and says “you need to do x, y and z” and then you do that and you win a flag next year. An external review involves a whole bunch of meetings (which takes time away from doing actual work the footy department should be doing between now and November) and then they go away and then they put together a PowerPoint (based on previously prepared template) and you get the PowerPoint and an invoice for $100k and they disappear and the same people (Pert, Richie, Board) make the actual decisions and are actually accountable and the consultants are off drinking cocktails and never have to worry about whether anything in the PowerPoint makes any difference to anything. Its useful if a) the board want to make certain decisions but want to shift the blame to the consultants or b) the people internally have NFI what to do in which case they’re better off just getting out of the way and letting someone else do it.

Me. Demonland. I have once again renewed my interest in Margo Robbie. No suggestion at this stage Margot is considering leaving her film producer husband for some weirdo on a footy forum, just that the interest has again been made clear.

Well that’s probably not unreasonable, everyone else on here seems to want the whole place cleaned out from the board to the bootstudder which I don’t think is helpful. I think we have to keep Goodwin for at least another year. The back end of 2021 is the best football I’ve seen us play in my life. We’ve been exciting before, we’ve scored heavily before but that finals series was something else. I don’t think he’s had a clear run at it since, and while we’re all flat about the straight sets we weren’t far off. This year has been no good but we make some changes, see what we can get in the trade (despite CP5 tanking our brand) and draft and go again. I don’t see any better alternatives out there - west coast can’t even find anyone to apply for their job.

Why would you add in depth like Tomlinson though? He’s not best 22 and has no contract which is why he’s going. He’s hardly Shai Bolton. Brayshaw would give his left agate to be still playing for us. Can’t blame the club that he’s not. Smith made his own mistake. It’s not a tigers situation at all.

Hence why I said “changes to be made no doubt” which you seem to have quoted but not quite grasped.

Don’t bring ANB into it, completely unrelated to club issues. If you don’t think the club will survive without Trac send him a letter with your pocket money taped to it and see if that changes his mind. Meanwhile the adults in list management will work out what deal we can get and how to move forward. Sacking the board and coaching staff isn’t going to change his mind, Trac wants out for Trac, wants to play in front of the pies big crowds and boost his TikTok numbers. No one said everything is fine but a complete reset equals a decade of recovery. Maybe Pert needs to go, maybe it’s Richardson. Maybe there’s others, but burning the joint down helps nothing.

Good to see not everyone wants to burn the joint down! Post of the week.

Trac’s not even bigger than Gawn let alone the club. Norf are 10 years into a rebuild and won 3 games. They’re a shambles. Tiges entire list is leaving. They’re in trouble. We’re under the pump no doubt but burning the joint down doesn’t make 2025 better, it sets us back a decade. Changes to be made no doubt, but panicking doesn’t help anything.

Couldn’t agree anymore if I said it myself Harf.

It’s really not. It would be disappointing to lose Trac but no player is bigger than the club

Wasted millions on legal cases - we got sued? Can’t just say no thanks we’d prefer not to. No home base - yeh since the 70s. It’s disappointing but not new. Poor comms, your opinion. My view is you don’t need to feed the machine unless you have anything to say. Pert - (and Roffey, and Max for that matter) I haven’t liked the culture talk either. I think there was too much talk after 2021 about how good the culture was and we haven’t backed that up. Would’ve preferred to let results do the talking. The board appoints the management who run the club. Our issues are management/football issues and bad luck, and a player who’s gone a bit rogue. Steady the ship and reset rather than burn it all down because we’re all upset is my view.

So Trac has decided he wants out and started a fire. other players are talking to the media about it because they’re [censored] off. and that leads you to lose faith in the board? Short of kidnapping the full list and holding them hostage in the rooms at Casey how is the board supposed to stop whispering and leaking? People have very strange ideas about what a board is and does, and an inflated idea of the value of an external review.

We won a flag. It wasn’t that long ago, not yet 3 years in fact. Take a breath.

Pies had a little flare up of their own issues recently with regards to their CEO - didn’t seem to get any legs despite being ongoing for a while. Other clubs get on with things behind closed doors, I’m not sure why some on here think we need the board/CEO to get up and dance every time the media monkeys start cranking their organs

Appalling is a stretch surely. Judge accepted their actions were reasonable and left it to the parties to sort out the costs. As someone who pays membership fees I would expect the club look to push them onto Lawrence as he brought the case, I’d prefer my fees pay footballers and coaches than lawyers. Doesn’t seem all that controversial to me.

“Independent review” is a myth. Who does the review? Ex-players? do any exist that don’t have some sort of axe to grind about something? We let Gaz pick the coach once and that went well. Do we get ex-players from other clubs? Why do they give a [censored] if we get better or not? Corporates? What do they know about running a football club? What’s the scope? Is it the board to the bootstudder? That could take years. Is it just the football department? Medical? we didn’t drag ourselves out of the mud with independent reviews, the AFL put Jackson and Roos in charge and they ran the club as a proper club should run. Maybe we need change at the footy department but a review won’t tell you that. The board and CEO need to make their judgements and act on them, which we can’t do at the current time with all the noise going on as it would be an absolute feeding frenzy from the journos. No idea who Lawrence is apart from all this noise, I’m sure he means well but as per @FreedFromDesire he probably needs to pipe down for a bit - now’s not a good time to be agitating imo.

If there was nothing going on he could shut it down in 2min. That’s what agents/managers get paid to do, eg: “Christian is focussed on recovering from his injuries and expects to be back playing with the Demons in 2025.” Putting that out calms everything down a lot, and the best bit is it doesn’t even have to be true they can keep working on trades all day long if they want to. Not issuing anything is harming the club and the only way to read that is that’s what he wants to do.

Ah makes sense.

“his camp have considered using it before even in a very different circumstance” that would indicate to me a) he’s wanted out for a while and b) had to argue a current grievance is so grave if you already thought about claiming other grievances previously, seems like you just want out of a contract you signed of your own free will.