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That doesn’t line up with the narrative that we need to sack the coach, all the assistants, everyone on the board and trade or delist 20 players so can’t be accurate! It obviously hasn’t gone to plan this year on a number of fronts, and Trac going out for an extended period or even the season makes it hard to see us challenging for a flag but I don’t think we’re dead yet. Max, May, TMac and Brown are the only ones pushing retirement. You’d think the first 2 can at least go one more year. The rest have plenty left, and we had 9 players 23yo or younger in the 22 on Monday. We were a full year younger on average than the pies. We can still play finals this year, and even if we don’t I reckon the window is still open next year. edit: I’d also add that the swans played in a GF in 2022, fell to 8th last year and are now favs for the flag. Lions were ~ a goal away from being premiers and are currently 13th. The consistent high level we’ve been at the past 3 years is unusual, and one blip of a year doesn’t mean it’s all over.

Average years in the job for the winning premiership coach since 2000 is 6 years. Some shorter ones, Scott and Longmire walked into flag ready teams, McRae probably got there ahead of schedule but the average is the average.. so we’d be looking at 6 years all going well (5.5 if you exclude Sheeds in 2000)

B: McVee May Rivers HB: Salem McDonald Lever C: Langdon Oliver Windsor HF: Pickett Fritsch Petty F: Chandler Van Rooyen Neal-Bullen Foll: Gawn Viney Sparrow I/C: Howes Turner Bowey Woewodin Sub K Brown In Lever, Woewodin, K Brown Out: Petracca, Billings, Laurie Billings & Laurie don’t get enough of it and don’t use it well enough to compensate for being small. If you’re a little tacker like Laurie you need to be a Bowey or Caleb Daniel level user and he isn’t. Billings is slightly bigger but doesn’t compete physically and doesn’t use it well enough at the moment. Potentially Howes or Turner out for Tomlinson if we need another bigger body but you wouldn’t think we do if Lever gets up.

I think it’s inevitable that the knee gets taken out, maybe a while away but it’ll happen. At the moment it’s a legitimate action but there’s too much damage. My controversial take is that taking away the ability to use your hands to get on someone’s shoulders means the only way to get up is to hit them at speed with the knee which is more dangerous. Bring back the school yard hands on the shoulders speckie

Are you a member this year?

Didn’t you already say you didn’t buy a membership this year? Can’t really quit twice..

Dunno where he is at the moment but his family or his agent or whoever should just book him a couple of business class flights to Europe - spend a month or 2 drinking wines and beers in the warmer weather and get ready for the next stage of life.

Now Giles oversees every reference to Goodwin and his part of that saga. I did enjoy this subtle hint to a certain news corp journo and his source.

Funnily enough his name is Ian, but since he’s not a 73yo grey nomad he goes by Bobby

My numbers are a true reflection of how many people they get to games, which is not as many as us which is why I don’t know why you’re determined to pump them up as a big club

Nah. They’ve never averaged above 40k home attendances, even 2015 winning their 3rd flag on the trot ave home crowd was 38,626. 2017 and 2018 we averaged higher home crowds and we hadn’t even got good yet. We’ve beaten them 5 out of the last 6 years on home attendance (excl 2020 - no crowds).

Demonland is in crisis mode and many on here are having an existential crisis but the club isn’t. Clearly we need to play better and if we don’t we may even miss finals but some people need to touch grass.

On board with this, as a supporter the flag wasn’t what I’d been waiting for as it happened on tv, I couldn’t be there and that itch won’t be scratched unless we win one at the G. But that doesn’t mean it’s not a genuine flag - we won it and anyone else would be claiming it too.

Why would Dees fans want to agree with them?

Football issue, not board issue. No need to hear from management about how they’re going to get our contest and defence going again..

Don’t agree. We dominated 21 from start to finish and smashed each 3 finals. Go tell a pies fan I reckon there’s an * next to their flag last year as the umpires got them past GWS and our goal kicking got them past us - pretty sure they won’t cop that

Wouldn’t be surprised if he reheats the same Dees article he writes every month or so again this week

Come on now, are we at the stage where we’re blaming the little leaguers?

If it was indeed 2 first round picks, Adelaide had 8 & 21 - those players have played a combined 2 games - not much impact. You’re not getting Harley Reid with those picks either, maybe 6, 8 & 13 but even then the eagles probably say no.. they didn’t want Norfs picks. No one on the trade table was anywhere near pick 13 value.

So who would you have picked at 13 that would have immediate impact this year?

Even if it was we will they’re a wait and see for me. Big statements don’t impress me from this lot. I still haven’t forgiven them for hanging Brayshaw’s helmet at the SCG and all touching it as they ran out before kicking 1.6 in the first quarter 🫣 They all quote the Daniher “it’s not what you say it’s what you do”, time to do..

Also did an ACL and then retired so not really on the club “losing” him

Why are you roping Hollands and Bowes in? Hollands went to the blues with his brother and Bowes went to the most favoured of all trade destinations Geelong. Were we ever getting either? No. If we did get Sharp would we be any better? No. He was so good the suns delisted him. People would just be bagging him instead of Billing’s. The A-graders are not A-grade at the moment and that makes everyone look bad. Picking up other fringe players instead of the fringe players we did get wouldn’t change anything. 2nd ruck? We had one and Max didn’t want to or couldn’t play with him. No AFL level ruck is gonna come and play at Casey so we need to make do.

I watched the suns, he wasn’t playing. You still haven’t addressed my point - what are you giving up? It’s easy to say we should’ve got this guy and we should’ve got that guy - with what? What are you paying with?

Sharp who did nothing in 4 years at the Suns? Including 0 games in 2023? Who should we have swapped for him, Trac or Viney? Maybe Lever? It’s impossible to defend our trading because people have imaginary scenarios in their head about it. We were top 4 for 3 years and therefore had minimal draft picks to work with. If you want to do big trades you need to give up something, in hindsight maybe we should’ve put some premiership players up for trade but that would’ve only happened if the club knew we weren’t contending this year and they obviously thought we were still in it.