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IMO the window is open for 5+ years and we're just coming into our prime. We were still in the youngest half of lists this year. It doesn't need to end when Max and May decline - by then Jackson can be the new Nick Nat and Petty might be Harris Andrews. I'm going full Brendan Gale - we'll win at least one flag in the next 5 years.

I'm pretty sure there's a plan, Mahoney has been doing this for a while now. We might pick up Hind to replace one of those small forwards and someone like McKernan or Daw as DFA for emergency ruck coverage in place of Preuss. I think there will be plenty of experienced fringe and depth options if list sizes are reduced.

We'll be moving on 10 or so players and 4 have already gone - the Wagner brothers, Dunkley and Bennell. Bank on another 6 or so going and some of them will be the players you've listed such as OMac, Hannan, ANB, Preuss, Bedford etc. There will likely be some list reduction. The replacements will be a mix of experienced players from other clubs through trades and DFA, and draftees - with a focus on the former. Our NQRs will be replaced with players who we hope more fit for purpose. It's just standard operating procedure.

KIck chasing instead of following team defence rules? North did lose to Carlton.

I did the list turnover numbers a few years ago. The average list turnover was around 10 or 11 and the minimum was around 8. That's what we should be expecting this year, especially if lists are reduced. 2019 Retirements and Delists https://www.draftguru.com.au/years/2019/retirements-delistings 141/18 = 7.8 Free Agents and Trades https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_AFL_draft 10 + 26 = 36/18 = 2

I don't think it's all pushing out up to pick 23, as @Little Goffy in his excellent OP points out and you acknowledge, there will be some coming in from picks being consumed to make up points. The AFL brought in the rule that says teams can only bunch picks for points equal to the number of list vacancies they have. The Dogs for example aren't going to be able pay for pick 1 entirely with picks beyond 23.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/514307/cal-twomey-s-2020-phantom-form-guide-october-update

Make it 3.

AFAIK he's already contracted for 2021.

On 3AW yesterday Leigh Matthews said the CEO is the most important appointment and everything flows from there including the coach. We were clearly blessed having Peter Jackson and hopefully Gary Pert is a capable operator too - time will tell. Matthews seems to have learnt a lot in his time as a Brisbane board member, not least of all that the board shouldn't meddle in Operations.

If a club is undertaking aggressive list management there will be errors. NO club is error free. Richmond - Chris Yarran, Geelong - Mitch Clark.

North's youth is not the problem - Simpkin, Zuhaar, Larkey, LDU, Thomas and Scott can all play and they have picks 2 and 9 in what looks like a good draft for KPs who are hard to find. They have good senior role models in Cunnngton, Ziebell, Tarrant and Goldstein. It's the black hole in their 24-27yo that's the big issue. They are trying to offload Brown and Polec for picks, and the only others who are AFL standard are Anderson, McDonald and Dumont - hardly inspiring. They are in for 4 years of rebuild pain at a very bad time.

Questionable posts in a thread about the mental health of a coach.

I'm with you Steve but there will be a decent measure of misery for the loser.

I'd be keen to see you take that up with Brendan McCartney.

No I don't think he is.

I realise it's highlights but he appears to have an agile sidestep that Hunt lacks and looks strong on both sides. Hunt is not going to take us there, We should delist him, and I do think somone will pick him up and gve him a go - good luck to him.

Hinkley is in his 8th year and no flag. Port lost the PF by 6 points - by your simple logic today he's sacked.

I find that very hard to believe with King, Marshall, Ryder and Membery

So you're sacking Ken Hinkley today?

Good pace and agility. Nice kicking skills on both sides. Went back with the flight. Good highlights.

Yes he doesn't show metres gained attributes with run and kicking depth, has strong turnover tendencies and he needs to be harder at the contest. I'm willing to give him a year to see but I wouldn't blink if he was delisted.

Yes Baker is worth persevering with on the list but I don't want to be relying on him to hold down a wing next year.

I don't rate Baker. We need either Smith or Phillips.

Look everyone's tradable. My starting position is Cripps, Weitering, McKay, Walsh, pick 7 and 2021 1st rounder. Every day they don't accept add another player. Am i doing it right Adrian?