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Maybe right. I might prefer 2021 13 for Brown with 2021 40 back and keep 23 this year. Than 23 for Brown. FWIW both options are valued at ~800 points

North already have 2, 9, 25 and 57 and we have 23, 47, 62 and 63. I'd like to do 23 for Brown but I don't think it will be attractive to them. North will want our 2021 1st. We'd want something back. IMO 57 is pretty worthless to us. I think there's a strong likelihood they'll finish bottom 4 next year - worst case 2nd round is 23, 3rd round is 40. We should expect to finish top 6 next year - worst case 1st round for us is 13. I think it could be 2021 1st (13) for Brown + 2021 3rd (40). I'd like to hang onto 23 this year too because I think there's a chance someone we fancy could fall out of the first round like Robertson and Rivers did this year.

I would be totally fine with us trading our 2021 1st round pick if it brings a quality player that will take us closer to a flag over the next 3 years. We have effectively used 1st rounders in 2019 Jackson and 2020 Pickett.

wow 2 first round picks

McStay is the key contested marking target and Hipwood is the second target.

It's like how most threads in the football forums ultimately turn to a "Goodwin" thread.

North need to go for a hard rebuild so they need to get rid of players that are not a culture fit and/or can give them early picks. They've got Cunnington, Ziebel, Goldstein and Tarrant so they are not lacking mature leaders.

I'm a big Weid fan but I think we need a bridge to 26-27yo #1 KPF Weid.

I agree I would not be getting Mihocek because he wouldn't solve our current problem which is no consistent #1 contested marking target. But I don't agree that's not ultimately Weid. In this I agree with @DeeSpencer. But the problem is at 23yo Weid's body is just not there yet. He does need cover in the meantime, that was meant to be TMac. In the Brown thread I've almost convinced myself it's him.

Which team is contending with a 23yo #1 key forward?

I'm not fixed one way or the other on the Brown trade. I agree with @DeeSpencer that Weid is a #1 forward. But the problem is that his body isn't quite there yet. He was very good in the middle part but dropped off in the last part of 2020 because of this. This was exacerbated because he had minimal support. TMac and Jackson out and Mitch Brown not consistently drawing a tall defender away. Next year we could have a combo of Weid, Petty and Jackson which would cause tall defenders to need to split attention. But again all are immature bodies unless Weid really comes on over summer. Alternatively Ben Brown, Weid and Jackson. With Petty playing back in place of OMac/Tomlinson. There's not any real fwd defensive difference between Weid-Petty and B.Brown-Weid combos. Look at this year's top 4, none of them are going with a 24yo #1 marking forward. Brisbane have targetted Daniher because McStay is not really good enough. I'm leaning towards yes on Ben Brown.

We would if we wanted to spend the 70-80% saving on another player.

I think you've got a warped view. Goodwin is going to recruit to play finals in 2021 because he wants success not to save his job. He will ultimately stand or fall on whether he leads us to flag success. There's no job retention incentive for him, if he ultimately doesn't deliver flag success then he'll have job security as a well paid assistant coach elsewhere. You either believe we're in the flag window in which case recruit accordingly or you don't which means draft. Don't get caught half way between. We've shown balance - we effectively drafted in 2019 and 2020 and brought in Langdon and Tomlinson. IMO it's fine to concentrate on mature players now to fill in the missing elements.

Were Hawthorn supporters crying after they recruited a 31yo Brian Lake and then he played in 3 consecutive flags?

You appear to be unaware that in almost all cases a player needs to be offered a higher amount by the other club to be enticed to leave his current club.

Hope it tasted nice, he's talking about Brown.

No, for the record I don't agree. You can read my previous post for my position.

You see things through a strange prism. Goodwin was definitely on notice in 2020 - the result we achieved was equivocal and the year was crazy so he will survive, if we'd had a year like Essendon or GWS I believe he would be sacked now. I see 2021 as a replay of the expectations of 2020, we need to make finals and put up a good showing in them or he's gone.

Richo must be a fan, Savage played a lot of footy under him. https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/S/Shane_Savage.html If Richo survives the review there could be a path.

I'm sorry George, I really respect Nathan Buckley, I think he's grown to be a very good person and coach: https://www.afl.com.au/video/516873/buckley-de-goey-s-future-comes-down-to-money?videoId=516873&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1602334307001

We're usually on the same page LH but I don't read this the same way. I love what Jack has said in this article. He IS a key element to our future success and he recognises that. I like that he says everyone has to buy in to what's best for the team, and for example if he is required to spend some time as a small forward then he would do it if he is true to his word. It really resonates for me that he has aligned himself strongly with Goodwin, he has unequivocally committed his support, that's what I want to see. Goodwin will be coach in 2021 and it will be a pivotal year for him. I don't want to see any players second guessing that.

Could it be us?

You are making the point that MFC is particularly bad at managing developing tall players and used OMac as an example. I used English as an example of another club mismanaging a tall in worse ways and @whatwhatsaywhat brought up the even more conclusive example of Josh Fraser. Your whole shtick is unique "MFC mismananagement". You seem unable to follow a relatively straightforward rebuttal.