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A decision has to be made on Goodwin and/or Mahoney before list changes are contemplated since they are the ones making the changes. If we see wholesale changes quickly then I think you can bet bottom dollar Goodwin is staying. If we are going to a new coach then that coach will want to have input on the list and it's likely that there will be far fewer changes while he takes a year to make assessments.

He's a better version of Fritsch. He's not our biggest need.

One of your very best!

Agree won some good one on ones. I'm a fan.

Jack Riewoldt just said on AW that Marty Hore is playing very well for the Tigers in a scratch match vs Brisbane. He'd be a handy in if we make it.

Jackson and Petty weren't playing today, let's just see what they can do ... Weid was very strong in the contest today and has had a good year.

Your's and Elegt's great claim to fame and football knowledge is that you think Oliver is a good player

Looking a little foolish now ...

Good selection by Goodwin to retain Brown when there must have been a lot of temptation to play Jackson.

No we didn't. We won 69-48.

It was a decent win in a must-win game. Essendon have talent and they've gone 12-10 the last 3 years. Notable that we've gone 6-4 since the compressed fixture while they've gone 1-1-8. They were going to get momentum at some stage and to play the all out attack they needed gave us opportunities out the back which we took. We won 68-49.

You seem to care enough to make the exact same post 64 times this week.

Incorrect you're thinking of plantar fascitis.

Agreed we should chase him hard and if we had our 1st I'd be willing to trade it.

Wonder when list sizes and salary cap are going to be announced - pretty crucial to the process ...

It depends who is is looking elsewhere. Viney, Brayshaw and Harmes have all been raised as possible exits and I wouldn't be surprised if someone from that set was elsewhere next year. But not all 3 please.

I've taken some interest in them because of their "death-riding" our pick this year. They've ended up with the two 1st rounders they hoped for but they haven't got them the way they thought they would. Their list is in a world of hurt over the next period. They've got a strong 29+ group and a promising under 23 group but they've got a hole in the middle the size of the Grand Canyon. I make that they only have 5 AFL standard players in the 23-28yo age group: Anderson, Polec, Dumont, Ben Brown and McDonald. They are trying to trade 2 of them. That's the group that's going to take them forward for the next 5 years. There's going to be a lot of pain over that period. They do have a good chance to come out of it strongly with the drafting opportunities they will have added to their decent under 23s. But then in the big picture you've got to ask whether a minnow club can survive 5 ugly years in these desperate times.

Agree, excellent point. And a point some of us have made is that with this year's shortened quarters there are less starting midfield minutes available to go around. Nevertheless Harmes was training with the backs before the season started so that was the plan going in. It was worth a try to get some more dash. He's strong overhead and has some penetrating dash. It hasn't worked out. Goodwin frequently gets criticized for not trying anything, but that couldn't be further from the truth. I do get the feeling in the wash-up for next year that the whole group won't all be there.

People over rate draft picks. If either Saad or Viney were available at a pick in the teens in this draft you'd be mad not to take them.

Love Demonland .. Goodwin vs Swans - too passive, vs GWS - too active.

This is the difference. If we have that we're fighting for top 4 this year, not top 8.

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A lot of lament here about losing to Geelong and Brisbane in close games - the ledger in games under a goal is actually in our favour 3-2: Carlton +1 Geelong -3 Brisbane -4 St.Kilda +3 GWS +5 It could very easily be 2-3 and we would be out of it now. The Swans and Freo losses were extremely disappointing but there are reasons or excuses depending on your viewpoint. The other club in a similar position to us without a bye - Essendon have gone from 5-0-2 to 6-1-9 since the compressed fixtures started, that's 1-1-7. In the same period we've gone from 3-4 to 8-8, that's 5-4. It's going to be interesting to see how we go against them this week. It's also going to be interesting to see how the Dogs go vs Freo in Cairns off a day's less break.

We made the trade with a plan to draft Pickett and on the belief that we would rise up the ladder - looks like things have gone pretty much according to plan.

Sydney currently pick 4 and Collingwood currently pick 14 will take both those picks before needing to bid on their NGA according to the Twomey order and use later picks to match the bids.