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We seem to have improved our handballing, I don't know if this is the doing of West but he was one of the best handballers and clearance players of his time.

You got that bit right... I'm arrogant?! You're the one playing a pointless game of semantical 'gotcha'. Anyone can make a judgement about anyone, even me as you have done, just don't expect anyone to take it seriously.

If they take more note of an article or an extended passage on FC or MMM (or whatever radio station he's on now), than a 4 second statement before a segue into another topic prompted by the FC producer. And anyone can judge him as a journo from what I mentioned above. But, if you do not know the guy, you cannot adequately judge him. It won't stop people from doing it though.

I just thought I would give Rusty the benefit of the doubt in terms of the wording. I don't need to explain the different meanings of the words as you are obviously a well educated individual. Your patronising tone aside, I agree with you that Szondy, Gardner, and all the other maligned Presidents are not deserving of the treatment they get from many supporters of this club. They gave their time and that is to recognised, they also didn't deliver, and that is, unfortunately, the most recognised thing about them.

From what is written and said by the person. I only hope that they do not read, equally, into the 'throwaway line' of Garrys' that set off this little two-and-fro between you and I.

You're more than welcome. And that Rusty, what a scoundrel, blaming Gardner for not bringing in former players? That's abstruse. There are many other things that are more important that were neglected by previous boards. Strange to pick on Gardner for something like that. Anyway, to each their own...

No, but if you do, then judge away... If you think you have satisfactorily gleaned them, then judge away... I just don't believe many here have satisfactorily gleaned those they judge.

The most disappointing thing about this thread is, with the amount of free time the palyers have, they will probably read the innane thoughts in this thread. If you guys are blowing up because of Morton, brace yourself for when we are 4 and 18 at the end of the year and everyone is still bagging the club and our players. Long road ahead, enjoy the development of players like Morton, that is what I'm going to do.

If you are not in a position to know these things, or satisfactorily glean them, then you shouldn't be judging them. You can judge Garry as a journo, Michael Newton as a footy player, Jimmy Stynes as a President, but that's it. Unless you know them personally, then go to town.

It's a saying... Every time Gardner is mentioned you ask for a 'please explain' of sorts from the poster. You can't stop biting...

It is a comment that could have applied to 'any other game' that was as poor as the game on Sunday. Any other game that didn't involve the team that he was a star player for. I don't think Eddie is a particulary good example as he doesn't give comment on the game; he used to host a show that never got close to talking about footy and, also, Millionaire. I judge people on their passions, on their beliefs, on their compulsions, on who they constantly stand up for, on who they constantly defend, on who they lay blame, on who they think is blameless, etc.

Fish can choose not to bite, HSOG. This thread is questioning the intentions of former players and that doesn't sit right with me. But say what you will. I mean, former players are fair game and former boards and former Presidents.

You don't have to wonder: Jimmy is more passionate about the club. He became President... But that doesn't mean Garry Lyon doesn't love the club. He is trying to be impartial and I think people read it, rightly or wrongly, as indifference. I wouldn't judge anyone on their throwaway lines...

You question it because he is a wingman and you want him dropped. Our best midfielders have been in this order: Davey, Bruce, Morton, Moloney, McLean, and Jones. It is in that order (and I love the way Moloney goes about his footy) because of the work the first 3 do off the ball to run to space and move from one end to the other to help their teammates. As long as he is selflessly running himself into the ground for the benefit of his team he will one of the first names picked by the match committee.

He is 19 and cannot go a few minutes without getting a touch. Makes bad decisions from time to time, can be caught out of position, but drop him? He is going to have to play a lot worse than he has so far. Oh, and BTW, don't question this kids workrate. He runs a marathon every match, end-to-end stuff. There is nothing wrong with the workrate of Cale Morton. (I reiterate that because there are a few that throw workrate around like a buzz word they have no understanding of.)

Right now, Newton would be more productive than Watts at CHF. I hope everyone prepares themselves for next year - Watts will play on a wing and sometimes drift into the forward line. Anyone here who thinks we can plonk him in the square and kick it on his head are kidding themselves and creating unnecessary pressure on the kid and the team.

His workrate is fine, runs himself to exhaustion. Bate will be a good HFF in a good team, that is why we should keep persisiting with him.

He is in a massive public forum known as the MCG. If you can get booed for leaving a club you can get booed for hitting a chick. Poor taste is 'indefinitely' suspending someone for a week.

It is 3 minimum deletions in a shallow draft. Why do we NEED to refresh our list this year? Quality over quantity. Prendergast and Bailey may say that a 19 year old we already have is a better option than Pick 35 or 51.

We might need some patience too. Gehrig played on a wing in his formative years. Watts will play HFF when he comes into the side. I hope the fans give him more time than they have given other players.

You know what I blame... Weather and time-slot.

I agree that our backline is excellent, but they only had 44 Inside 50s to contend with. So credit has to go to the defensive efforts of our midfield - Moloney and McLean in particular who had 8 tackles each. Offensively our midfield was error riddled and gun-shy but they worked hard around the packs.

The way our mids were kicking into the forward line it is no wonder you all think Bate is rubbish. Midfield was really good today - won contested ball, broke even in clearances and Inside 50s, and had 61 tackles (althought the Crows had 84). But they still don't deliver it to space, or to the right side of our forwards, although the rolling flood from the Crows didn't help. Hopefully, we will see a more open game against the Cats.

Mentioned this somewhere else but it is 3 minimum deletions. You may say that because of our position we need more new faces than other teams but this year is an anomaly. The age change is drastically lessened the depth of the draft. Pick 35 would be worth 55-60 and so on. I can see us winning 6 games (not ideal I know) and having 2, 19, 35, and elevating Spencer. Whelan, Wheatley, and Bell are, unfortunately, the front-runners to be moved on. Macca and Robbo would have to finish the year strongly to go around again. Sylvia needs to continue his good form. PJ needs to step up or risk being overtaken by Meesen. Dunn needs to string a few games together. McNamara needs to push for a game as well. To many it would seem morbid to be plotting the end of careers so early in the year but it is an important issue for us to discuss nevertheless.

No he hasn't. But Batram has. Can't believe the nonsense, and its relentlessness, over Batram. Has a few clangers a game but beats better opponents on a regular basis. Godfrey mach II. He plays a role and does it well.