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An admirable effort but... Martin has been great playing on the 'gorillas' and I don't think he has the footy IQ to play forward. Dunn, Miller, and Bate across the line would be one paced and they're all lead up footy players with little defensive capabilities. Watts should play wing/HFF/FP for the first few years as he gets used to the AFL. And Maric, in my opinion (not many agree with me), should be groomed for the midfield as his vision and skills are as good as the best midfielder in the game today. My forward line Rd.1 next year would have Miller, Wonaeamirri, Bate, Morton, Davey, and Newton starting with Robertson on the pine to ease him back into footy.

Watching some footage of him, he strikes me as very slight but very smart with the footy. Reminds me of Brent Harvey As a Tigers fan, he modelled his game on Deledio and there is a bit of that boldness in his play. I hope he can continue the impersonation, we need that run and fearlessness with the footy.

If you're a proponet of "best talent available" recruiting then you have to deal with drafts that have an over abundance of one particular type of player. This is what happened. If you said "take the BTA" before the draft and have criticised the fact we took 5 mids/flankers then you are a hypocrite.

The PSD is for the low risk - high reward types and looking at that footage - that is exactly what he is. I definitely think we should go tall in the PSD and this bloke looks as good as any other at this stage. And for those that say 'every club overlooked him' I say Stef Martin isn't a bad FB prospect...

Don't care if he's in the box personally. Just want him to teach our young midfielders how to handball in traffic. Forget about teaching Bruce and Green, old dogs...

At the start of the year he was a certainty to be delisted, and with good reason. He played about 2 good games this year, and racked up some of the cheapest possies in about 4 other games. Can we postpone the whining for when we actually lose a decent player to another team...

It looks very classy... And since when does the logo matter when it comes to attracting kids?! Collingwood has a very boring old style one that they haven't changed for ten years. Kids like flair and personality, and wins, not flashy logos. Give the kids some credit.

Rubbish. At the end of the day, that is a inane hypothetical statement. He's a 196cm CHF with great hands, good skills and came 2nd in agility at the draft camp. If he was from China we would still know about him...

Paul Williams oversaw a step back of our midfield competence. The cold hard fact is that we were the toughest tackling group in the AFL and the next year we were playing unaccountable footy and allowing 60 'Inside 50s' a game. Injuries were a problem, but they don't excuse a lack of endeavour and ability to stay near a bloke. Also, don't complain about the fact that we didn't have 'first use', our clearances were down in 07 and 08 but still not our worst measurement of performance. I have no idea who is out there but there must be someone willing to take on a promising, if lazy, midfield group.

No. they would have to be delisted and redrafted in the rookie draft that takes place right after the PSD.

I would have liked both - Prismall for Pick 35 and Warnock in the PSD. But for $300k and $400k respectively? To a 22 year old with a suspect knee and a 21 fringe ruckman at the third worst club? Connolly is right about precedence, I don't want any one of our promising kids pointing at a 22 year old at this club and say that he should be paid an equal, exorbitant, amount.

We couldn't get the deal that we deserved and he has done this with class. Due diligence from everyone concerned. He can not captain next year. Simple as that.

We have more room in the cap than Carlton, they are bluffing there arses off with this one and I hope Freo doesn't fall for it. Personally, I'd take Pick. 24 but they don't see that as fair so off to the PSD I hope we go. If Carlton think we will blink, then they are getting their old arrogance back. If Warnock goes in to the PSD and we think he is the best talent out there - we should take him. If he whinges, tell him to suck it up.

Every year there is this rumour, I believe it less and less. Unless for a bargain price I don't think he is an improvement over Miller. I'd prefer to have Miller CHF in 2009 and Watts right beside him.

I don't see many bad guys in this fellas and shielas. We have offered him nearly half a mil a year, we did our due diligence in trying to make it only two. Brad has looked at what is out there in terms of achieveing a premiership. No-one has said anything that will burn the chance of him coming back to the club and he hasn't said a peep. I have been adamant about trying to get a top 20 pick for Green but if we can't get a deal, he ain't gonna leave for nothing with WCE, Freo, and Port waiting in the PSD. We just need to calm down until Friday 2.05pm.

There is a bit of vitriol about Green at both D'ology and here. He will be on more than 1.1m over three years if he stays, that is a very conservative number that was mentioned in the paper. If he goes, it will not be for money. He won't get a better deal anywhere else. I have been an advocate for trading him but he is not going to leave because of money. Let's get that straight. If he does go, it will be for his career and the prospect of playing in a premiership. Not good enough for many of us to leave the Dees, but understandable.

That article states an offer of 1.1m over 3 years. Get Real. It would be more like 1.5m over 3 years. Otherwise, who exactly is getting the $7m we have to pay in the cap. Green will be on $450,000 - $500,000 if he is re-signed. The Hawks are trying to get more room in their cap, they can send Taylor to Sydney. He is no improvement on Jamar and it would make the deal fairer. If Sydney want him...

The AFL are worried about free agency and this would be another example of restraint of trade if a deal doesn't go through. Personally, I feel that restricted free agency should apply in the case of long term players and Warnock has been at Freo for 3 years. They should be helping O'Keefe get to where he wants to go.

Er, you might want to re-read his post...

Calm down, Freak. The draft is compromised next year with the changing of dates so that it pushes more kids into the following draft for GC17 to pillage. There are no guaranteed picks next year, although I believe they can sign up kids from Qld and NT outside the draft next year. But the kids have to agree. So basically, for next year, there is a shallow pool but it shouldn't matter to us (greatly) as we will probably have a top 3/4 pick.

I read somewhere that he was quite a talented basketballer aswell, probably where his agility has been developed. His vision and awareness would also have to be above average. More likelier by the day to go no.1. Getting excited.

Sourced or speculation? The Australian has a piece on a possible trade today, apparently Brad is seeing who wants to trade for him. We have met his terms and he just wants to see what melbourne teams are interested. It is rather rational exercise really, we will deal with a club that meets our demands, and Brad will re-sign if we can't because he doesn't want to go into the PSD where he might go to Perth or Adelaide.

Voting is done by the coaches, so the players are judged on their ability to complete their roles. Cam Bruce runs all day and plays the link in midfield, getting plenty of touches. Batram gets the best midfielder and limits their influence most of the time. Warnock is incredibly selfless and the leader in the backline, giving aide to any defender down there. On those that we feel would be hard done by, Jones has been criticised for being unaccountable, and for his indiscriminate kicking. The same goes for Simon Buckley. It's really only an insight into who the coaches think are improving and are listening to their orders. This vote is ominous for Jones, I know there are a few on here that would like to trade him. Personally, I want to keep him. But with the coaching staff underwhelmed with his contribution it is likelier today than yesterday.

The flashing lights is all about reactions, spatial awareness and hand-eye coordination, I'm a bit sceptical but I reckon those that fail miserably on these is where the real value lies. Weed out the slow brains. I'd like to see Koschitzke try and do it, he'd be awful I reckon...

There won't be many better players for us to get in the PSD, if we can get him in the PSD. He's 22, former no.4 pick, skillful, and quick. Hasn't shown much, but if he makes it to the PSD, there will not be too many as promising.