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He has to stay in any role he can see himself doing. Paul Roos has to stay a Demon for a while. It is imperative.

It does mean he is quickly becoming a Demon.

Er, yay, whatever. I would put him and Hogan into the middle rotations next year. Not for science experiment; we don't have any midfielders.

If he is delisted, it will not count against any compensation. FA is different to DFA.

$400k is about 4% of the cap next year. So it is becoming less extravagant to pay someone that.

This topic is a thread in-and-of-itself but we have been front loading contracts in the recent past to attempt to not overpay players and reach the threshold of 95% of the cap. This tells me that being able to pay more right now is not as important as getting talent in say that in the future we can pay people their worth. I wonder what Mahoney and Jackson think about Schwab's front loading of contracts - I feel it can be effective assuming you use the room created to lure players and that it doesn't artificially inflate a players worth which was my initial problem with the idea a few years ago.

The need for a senior person to work with the new coach obviously faded after Roos came on board. He is in charge of a lot of things and of course he will delegate things like player welfare, but I hope he keeps list management or has Viney run it in his yet to be fully defined role - I think it is a waste of a salary to have a list manager whose sole job of note is to negotiate contracts. And saves a bit of money too... Well done Josh.

Roos is still coach in 2015. We are not about go out of existence next year because we don't win 6 games...

Nothing to impart hey? If posters think that playing ability begets coaching ability - then smarter people than you hired the current grand final coaches.

The fact that we cannot pay the entire cap at the minute does not concern me. The fact that we have few people to pay the cap to does concern me. Give us money to fill the cap and all we would have is our inadequate list on more money. We need assets to move to bring in talent, and with Watts close to re-signing it means that we are down to Pick 2 in this years draft to help our fortunes in the next few years (and of course, our low picks in the coming seasons). The cap is important to equalize the comp but it is about pulling talent from big clubs to smaller clubs. But with the rule that you must pay all but 5% of the cap it generally means you overpay an think o imaginative ways to create future space; Schwab's front loaded contract idea being one of those.

People are allowed to react Pman and BH. And Jackson's reaction is the exact reaction I would have expected, or that I would have given. There is nowhere to appeal, nothing sinister to claim, just bad decisions that won't help us get better, quicker. Of course, we move on, there are coaching appointments to criticize - but it is naive to think that Roos will deliver us from our malaise so quickly. We are going to be terrible again next year.

That's ok. It doesn't matter, if that makes you feel better.

The pork chops can have a day or two.

I said in the thread on the other board that Evans either thinks Roos has Coaching ability level Moses, or the fact that up until this year he was the Footy Ops head at Hawthorn has clouded hi judgment. I am sorry to say this but this will, most likely, be revisited next year. We still do not have a midfield, and the magic of Roos will only extend so far. Terrible recommendation and a cowardly decision.

The statement from Evans (AA's replacement) leads me to believe that they think we have been so undercoached that our predicament can be turned around with so bonding sessions, a chat to shrink, and a few pats on the bum from Roos... The irony is a worse coach hire would have meant a PP. I think the AFL is going to, unfortunately for us, get a rude shock when we still look like an expansion team next year. I want to get better but we don't have a midfield and we needed assets to move, we now have less than I thought... Watts has to be back on the table. A really poor decision by former Hawthorn Footy Ops boss Mark Evans to recommend no help for the onfield fortunes of the MFC in 2014.

Royal played a great deal of footy. Leigh Brown too. Judging coaches on how much AFL/VFL they played is misguided to say the least. And casting them the way we have because Roos had let them go is also hollow, the only reason why Rawlings is still here and we don't have a full clean out is a contract that extends for another year.

Yes... but so much... Internet rage!!! I can't contain it! Groan C&B, groan. It's a entry level dev position. We promise to spend some money and get a nice big head coach for you - wait a sec...

You shut up. Sorry to be blunt, but you don't advertise what you can't sell. And 'Jack Watts and the MFC' sounds like a Disney cartoon, and it felt just as ridiculous.

Ok, I am late to this thread because the premise is an over reaction and not going to happen but can we just cool off some of the rhetoric when it comes to injured players, especially ones that were recently recruited - he played through that and looked just awful in a couple because he wanted to be out there as we needed the body and the leadership. If we had a bell curve at this club to measure who was worth their cheque: Chris Dawes would rate very highly. He does not deserve to be pilloried because he was recruited by Neeld or because Collingwood 'abandoned' him. They made a mistake and we benefitted. That should please you more than it apparently does. The Pies let him leave to play a forward structure they abandoned (there's that word again) because Lynch could not do what Dawes did not want to do, and play second ruck. They then added Witts and then Grundy to help Jolly then Hudson rather than have Lynch do it, and as the season wore on Ben Reid was more useful than Lynch. He won't be captain but he IS a good player with a good playing record for 4 seasons previous to this injury riddled one and I am very glad that Rd 1, 2014 will see him stand near Jesse Hogan as he begins his career.

What makes me cringe is when the admin of this club defend itself and advertise the club with the prostituting of draft picks and teenagers to a impatient fan base. I am ok with one fifth of a promo being a boy yet to play a game but don't sell me hope on the back of kids making their way, it's a burden they shouldn't carry and we have long been misled with.

High half forward, stints in the middle. For a couple of years. Like Gehrig. Then Choose Your Own Adventure, Jesse.

Well, if they want to get rid of him, PSD2 is waiting with a front loaded contract.

Stories like that raking out suggest the AFL is softening the blow, but I want Pick 9. Hell, I would go for 9 and 18. We need assets.

You don't sign him until he is or you trade with the bulldogs. Until Sylvia makes his decision, tread lightly in FA.

I don't know whether he has been delisted though. If he has, sign him up in the designated DFA window and it won't count against any Sylvia comp.