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RR - I happen to know a few journos and it is well known that with her many sources at Tigerland she does not jump on Richmond until others have got there first. 'That story about BLAH, I had no idea, good copy.' 'Sure you didn't, Caro.'

Odious rectum.

They'll never admit it was pressure.

A few things; this trade is unlikely, a 2nd round pick is not fair compensation, pick 15 is not a second round pick, and your point about the NFL is a tangent. I don't know how it follows what you were saying about the worth of these kids.

He thought it would work, and it might have, if he had better talent, and this includes himself, in the right positions. Jackson has said that a traditional structure is required for a club so desperate for a solid and stable culture. He is right of course, change is hard for seasoned teams, let alone whatever you would call us.

Look for the other thread. Suffice it to say what is happening at the Lions now may be despite the axing of Voss rather than because of it.

lol Swine eating their own filth. I love journalism. Yet to see many journalists in the profession however. They are loud air horns in an echo chamber of their own making and grandiose delusions. So what if we get another good kid, Damien. Who really gives a flying moose tail. I am in Sweden right now, that isn't a Swedish saying but it could be, and that's what matters.

Schwab's issue was he thought the structure made the organisation, but it is the individuals that drive the organizations ad we had no one of great stature or experience save for Craig, who we put in a foreign position. Oh and these 3 men have nothing but my sympathy, once again, the MFC is a place where careers come to stall, go backwards, or cease to exist entirely. I hope they can find their way again.

Welfare bin? Jeez...

Are you reading this? This ceased being an Ology problem when an official volunteer program of the MFC was found to be behind this. I don't know where this will lead but the equation involves idiots, the Internet, and the actual MFC. Not a good mix.

Yeah, same here. He didn't get along with many on here. Can't believe any sane person would give him control of anything not made out of foam rubber.

This guy has been known as hangon007, Dr Who, and Rassilon on Demonland and has been here for a few years now. He left around the time he went after Ology...

We have plenty of cap space... We have been frontloading because we have no-one to pay.

It's very eerie over there... The DR seems to be starting threads under your guise RGRS. I was one of the many that didn't take a shining to this bloke last year and he set his eyes on Ology apparently. Hopefully, something can be done.

He is a few years away from that, by then the contracts will be up and he can bring who he likes in.

Agree with BB re: webber. I should add one thing - the vociferous manner in which I have argued is more because of the terrible arguments from Barrett, Ryan, et al than my own belief in some diabolical need for draft assistance. I am more than happy to fight on without assistance, AFL money, Jackson, Roos, and every other thing that we have managed with the help of others. But thankfully we don't have to.

Perhaps for captain, but we are so bereft of good leaders that he and Clark were both in the LG before playing a game. As Roos said, you have got to work with what you have. Leading Teams will do something very similar with the captaincy to what brought Grimes and Trengove in, and like I say every year, the captain should be worked out every February before the season.

Is that what you think we would do? Cry into our pillow? Look at Pick 1 or Pick 3 as the messiah? I am struggling to find the differences in your position to the Gestapo-land you describe; you would like draft assistance, you would push for it, and you would move on should we not get it. Because I don't think there is much difference to what I think, many on here think, and what Jackson will do.

You are kidding me right? lol

No-one should be punished. We should take the carrot of losing away entirely, I have an idea that if you want to read further you can here: http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/32809-cure-tanking-the-competitive-percentage-determinator/?hl=determinator

Everyone knew what was happening in 2007. Lappin retired a week early as to avoid any desire to send him off with a win in a game they could win. Fevola was taken off the ground for the rest of one game as he was dominating and getting the Blues to close to a win. They had to lose 11 in a row to finish that season. Collingwood inexplicably lost their eighth straight game to NM in 2005 by a goal after being up by 6 goals with 20 mins to go. I know we love to make what the MFC do SO much worse than the rest but playing Johnson on Brown and Warnock forward is small time stuff. And again, my definition avoids this mess altogether. Trying to tie motive to the positional changes in a game? The players we sent out were in front at the siren and that is all it should be about.

You can believe about me what you will. I don't feel the need to defend my views over the last few years. Suffice it to say if you think all I do is kowtow to the status quo then you will look for the points that follow that reasoning. And 'welfare drip' - would you like me to pick on that as well? Or would that be an unfair semantic attack? Why stop with draft assistance? Reject the AFLs money for The Firing Squad, tell the AFL parachute Jackson he is not required, and hire a coach we can afford. While we talk about welfare; what about the fixture? Do we stop asking for a fairer draw? It's hard to pull yourself up by your bootstraps in an industry of 18. We should have had pick 6 in the two years we had pick 12 because of the expansion clubs. Conca and Wingard would be handy. We would have to be the most affected club from the expansion clubs concessions. Does that matter?

You don't like being referred to as weak, well no-one is calling the PP a 'quick fix' either. It's a priority for Jackson because he knows what Roos can do with that pick. He can bring in a Swallow type talent with that pick. And that is a priority for Roos. We need to improve as a club, and a part of that is getting better onfield, and a part of that is getting 'whats coming to us' and using that to find suitable talent.

Rookie list players are given a 1+1 contract where they can be discarded after one year or agree to stay for a second year. Alternatively, they can go into the draft. Magner should have done that after 2012.

And why would you? We are predisposed to want the best for the club, just like those servants that fail to live up their promise. All you, or anyone can do, is argue what they believe and attempt to convince people and watch in horror as it all falls to pieces (one can shove it in people's faces if they wish). It's like my infamous belief in the word of a 20 year old simpleton - 'I believe in Tom'. I claim to this day that I was not wrong to believe him. You claimed the incompetence of those at the club, Land rejected the opinion/evidence/proof wrought, and the horrors were proved correct and you were right. But it doesn't make us wrong that we believed in them. And that goes for every administration, even the one that tried to 'vote us out of existence' or 'eat Hawthorn whole' depending on what you believe.