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Meeting a contract that another team has given and that your player has signed means overpaying for someone who wants to leave. I understand what you are saying and I would keep Frawley too, but if he signed an offer sheet, I will take the top 5 pick.

Band 3 is 2 picks later... Pretty much the same.

That was 'I believe in.' The failure you are referring to is God. As in 'In God we trust'...

The FA compensation tailors to the clubs situation. Band 1, Band 3 and Band 5 follow the clubs pick. So if Frawley left next year and we finish with Pick 3, I expect to get Pick 4. If Hawthorn loses Franklin, they will get Pick 17. I would keep the compo, simplify the bands (have 2) and have only losing of the best players getting compensation. As for Colin, if Coll or Haw get him we may be able to trade him but it would be after they lose Thomas and Franklin reapectively; so they don't lose their comp picks. If we lose him through FA I would expect Band 3 and Pick 20. And, again, Delisted FA is seperate to FA and picking up any delisted players does not count against our compensation for Sylvia. Please try to understand that.

It really doesn't matter whether we think he should get a chance to redeem himself, he has a chance - two in fact... Although I have heard he is not on a great deal of money so a payout might be possible should lie spots become scarce at the end of 2014.

I am pretty happy with him from the tanking saga where we were on the same page. I agree that it was a cowardly recommendation from Evans about the PP, and one that will probably be re-thought next year. But I have always agreed with the expansion ideal and the maintenance of the ober clubs, and he has driven that.

Band 2 would be pick 18.

And I want a toilet made out of solid gold but it's just not in the cards now is it? Rumours people, rumours. Dustin Martin to re-sign because no one wants to give up anything to get him. That is the only rumour I have heard outside of this site. Auf wiedersehn.

Oh, ok, then... Not that it matters a great deal but he is an MFC supporter. He would take pride in the fact you have no idea.

It in the 4th last post but 7 on the PL, 6 with Hogan.

Talking about Howe. I want an O'Keefe clone. If he can't do it, he's trade bait with value. Unlike our other bait...

We should go where Port went before last year...

Exactly.Players want a salary floor because we have a hard cap (well supposedly). The NBA is introducing one this season.

Sylvia (UFA), Taggert, Nicholson, Jetta, Magner ®, Clisby ®, Stark ® left OOC. 7 primary list spots open. 6 with hogan.

Have a look at the sticky thread that mentions the dates. It will tell you there are two DFA periods where delisted players can sign wherever they wish. If he is delisted. I still don't think that has been ratified yet. Happy to be proven wrong.

I watch a great deal of draft and salary cap regulated sports; the NBA does not give compensation. The NFL does give a pick in the second or third round depending on the 'net loss' of a team, no pick if they 'gained'. There is so much movement of FA in both sports. The MLB gives more compensation but baseball is a game that sees draft picks as the most unimportant of the other codes. I mention these because that is where the AFL gets their ideas from. I think we should blaze our own trail on this and simplify but keep the compensation. 3 bands - High, Moderate, unclassified. Pick following your first pick for players considered 'high', pick following in the second for 'moderate', and no comp for the rest. If a team has a net loss of the first two bands they receive relevant pick(s). I understand the argument that there should be no compensation but i feel like our game is different to the US where the NBA has not hard a salary floor in the past (they have one now) so that teams can save money and spend 25% of the cap on one player and outbid the bigger teams and change their fortunes. There is also a thing called 'Bird rights' where a team can re-sign a long serving FA and go over the cap. The movement of the best players in the NFL but they still have some compensation. MLB is a joke in terms of equalisation. Yankees spend USD$200m and rivals Rays USD$60m... I would go our own way and try to make sure that there is plenty of movement but keep giving assets to clubs losing players. But I could definitely see an argument to scrap it. It does make sense.

We thought we were doing the clever thing when we got Byrnes in FD. The afl initially said that you would get a pick based on the net loss of players and us getting a low player would mean our loss of two medium level players would mean 1 goo pick as opposed to two average picks. It didn't work as pressure was applied by some that said we were getting rid of Moloney like Geelong of Byrnes. Anyway, it was clever but not thought out as clarification should have be asked for. Port did the right thing, learning from our experience, and got two band three for Chaplin and Pearce and snagged Monfries from a grateful Essendon who would have lost him for nothing. I would simplify the comp but not get rid of it, I agree if it is going to be an impediment to movement it needs to be tweaked.

If we were getting a top 5 pick or a star of the game I would include Howe with little hesitation. But is still believe that Ryan O'Keefe can be emulated by Jeremy. Roos most likely will back himself to bring it out.

So I am a fool for wanting a PP but we should have applied for one and Jackson did the right thing in doing so? Self-righteousness has to be earned, wyl.

Are you including yourself as a cretin? Changing your opinion when the facts change is fine and righteous. I am just not so certain the facts have changed direction that often...

Well, then why don't we forfeit Pick 2 then as a suicidal show of humility and idiocy? And I am the one who says that no-one 'deserves' draft assistance. Each club that gets in that position gets there trough their own bad decisions: trading poorly, drafting poorly, or holding onto good players too long. I always have said that we needed draft assistance and so does the AFL to help a club that was just terrible to get to mediocre and hopefully grow from there. We need assets and we have one fewer than I thought we would have. And wyl - don't address me anymore if you are going to give me BS.

This coming from a bloke who is doing a 540 on Watts. I remember when you referred to him has playing like a woman before saying he was playing great footy and then abandoning him again in the last few months. Are you dizzy? Watts is doing what Dunn has spent a decade doing, playing patches of good footy but not nailing down any position or consistent form. An he is 10 times the talent of Dunn which makes it all the more frustrating. I hope he can become a winger - we need midfield help.

Lolling?No offence, wyl. But you put the quit in non sequitur. So I won't bother.

I think Band 3 (Pick 20) is pretty good for Colin. I am expecting that. Pearce and Chaplin each got that.

It will cost us a few million and a year of time but not the club itself. And lol at WYL who now does not think that the club is on the precipice but did if it weren't for Roos. We all have the things in our minds eye that makes ALL the difference but for us to get better there is no one cure-all. We need a great coach, great facilities, pick really well, keep our best players, develop our youngsters, and, yes, we may need draft assistance in 2014 if it is as troubling as I think it will be.