Fanatique Demon

Thank you for the above comments. I have worked in places where no one knew anything about Missions, Positioning, Values and Behaviours, even though they existed. Those were awful places to work and whatever success they enjoyed could have been far greater if they'd pulled together to a set of principles. Maybe the skeptics here worked in similar places, in which case I both empathise and sympathise. But is that to say this stuff is all nonsense? No, it means it wasn't properly practised. I've also worked in places that were hotbeds of creativity, exciting and successful, where we all knew the direction and what was expected of us. In these places it WAS properly practised. I don't have time to go into details on all of your comments, but I don't recall having said that this be should generated by bosses or that people won't even know what it's about. I mentioned a working party. That's because you cannot include everyone in the process. I haven't done this for a football club, but I'd expect the working party would be drawn from directors, coaches and the players(e.g., the player leadership group). Maybe there'd be a spot for someone to represent members, although I don't think that's necessary. If the working party with the help of an expert outside facilitator spent some days together thinking about this, don't you think they'd come to the right conclusions? Or do you think we are more likely to know than them? Or that they have destructive motives? Now, what organisation can perform to an elite level if there are key members with their own agendas? You need to set the agenda and live by it -- club wide. Just as we expect every team member to play to the coach's game plan. (Ok, you might not like our club's current game plan, but that's not the point. Imagine a team playing without a game plan at all or with individual players playing to their own game plan.) Is it simply about winning matches and winning premierships? Yes. And no. It's about figuring out HOW to win matches and win premierships. And that requires certain behaviours. I'm not saying that if you get this right, premierships automatically follow. But I do believe that without it, or with a bad set of principles, or if everyone doesn't buy into them, success is impossible. Didn't this thread start with something about Hawthorn? Like them or not, they're doing virtually everything better than we are.

Well, seems like there a lot of members who know a lot about football, but little about business/organisations and their culture. I am probably the opposite. In a few weeks I will be in Japan conducting an exercise with a Fortune 500 company to chart their future success. I have done it many times, in many countries, including with two of the world's top 10 brands. And 80% of the time, it works. When it doesn't work, it's mainly because they don't adopt the thinking. Here's how I do it in my global consultancy.... I gather a working party of the key stakeholders and we agree on the short and long term Objectives. The working party is usually about 16 people. By involving the key stakeholders in the process, we get buy-in from the beginning. After that, the working party meets and we do what many of you would probably find silly. In a workshop, we play creative questioning games to understand the current culture and the blocks to success. The games are used so that we get past the stock answers and usual cliches to get to the heart of the problem. Creativity disarms people. Real truths emerge. Then we define the Brand Positioning and the Culture we want to create in order to achieve the Objectives. I usually craft the Positioning myself and put it back to the working party for comment. Once agreed, the working party defines the Values and Behaviours we will live by. My job is to facilitate and get consensus. Then having established our Values and Behaviours, we explain them to those affected, but who were not in the working party. We do it in a way that gets total buy-in... handling questions/challenges, using examples, etc. Then we all celebrate them. From there on, we live by those Values and Behaviours. Those who don't conform are counselled and given another chance. A second offence says they're not our type... and they're gone. I understand there will be many skeptics. As I said, I know very little about football, but I do know this stuff. Fortune 500 companies don't waste money on things that don't work. MFC needs to behave like one of them.

Interesting. Thanks for your hard work, Pitmaster.

If only it were that simple. Where we already were won't be good enough if others have improved since 2018. We're in a spot of trouble here.

This might be obvious, but every other team will be looking to improve in 2020. To make the finals, at least one of this year's top 8 would have to drop out and we'd have to improve more than 8 other clubs. Big job.

Hore... many costly mistakes.

Swooped nailed it!

Here is a thought... why not a THREE WORD PLAYER HOMEWORK for the off season? E.g., Lever... learn to kick.

And me.

Further to the above... her team always makes the finals and she has many premierships. That's because she only chooses her team from among the preliminary finalists. Last year I convinced her to go with Melbourne. And we all know how that turned out.

As an overseas resident, I can only watch AFL matches with a membership, so I'll sign up again. I could register a protest by nominating another club. But after 60 years of supporting Melbourne, well, I just couldn't do that. My wife thinks I am an idiot. I suspect that supporting Melbourne is just one of the reasons.

On those numbers, Lewis ranks 17th best. But in reality he is one of the few with a football brain and good disposal. Jones @ 10th is a complete mystery to me.

I think Jennings has already gone. I couldn't see any strategy against the Swans.

Pass

How do you move from the votes offered by posters to the Demonland Count, please? Not challenging... just curious.

6 - Petracca 5 - Fritsch 4 - May 3 - JKH 2 - Lewis 1 - Harmes

.. get May and McDonald back, add a couple of outside runners and a small forward and we'd at least be a chance. I hope you're right, DeeSpencer.

6. Gawn 5. Oliver 4. Frisch 3. Harmes 2. Lewis 1. Hibberd

I watched the Richmond / Collingwood game on the weekend. It was like watching Melbourne 2018 versus Melbourne 2019.

Why is the Coaching Alternative vote called a timeline?

How many games have we won with both Wagners in the side?

6. Oliver 5. Frisch 4. May 3. Salem 2. Lewis 1. Gawn Some of Petracca's family must be giving him votes. Or were they people who didn't watch the game?

Interesting, Pman. And Hawkins had the advantage of being in a much better team.

Dear P man. "Anyone who thinks this year is a blimp needs their head read." Blimp: an airship. Blip: a radar dot, meaning soon forgotten.

I agrée with Goodoil.