Fanatique Demon

6. Hibberd 5. Gawn 4. May 3. Petracca 2. Hannan 1. McDonald

I'm over him. We thought we had a first class midfielder but the truth is that he is miles behind the best in the AFL. Cripps, Dangerfield, O'Neil, Fyfe, Martin, Mitchell, Pendlebury, Merritt, Cotchin, Rowell, Boak, Cunnington, Kelly... it seems like most clubs have a better midfield than Oliver. Time to shake him up or move him on.

Cringe-worthy as it is, "Learnings" has been in common use for at least two decades in Asia.

I might have watched a different game. Kozzy was all buzz with no impact. Smith was ok. Rivers looked lost. Melksham looked disinterested and has forgotten how to chase. Hannan was ok considering how long it is since he has played at this level. And despite the love for Lockhart on this forum, he simply isn't ready.

6 Gawn 5 Oliver 4 Petracca 3 Viney 2 Hibberd 1 Brayshaw

Bing181, They dropped Jackson for Essenon.

I agree with GM11.

That's also a problem. Do you think that tongue in cheek or casual prejudice is ok? Joking or otherwise, swearing about an English man because he isn't a Dees supporter, dismissing him because you think he's only been in the country for 5 minutes. Seriously? It's 2020 and if you haven't already noticed... NOT COOL, MCQUEEN. Demonland, let's ban that sort of post.

Why does where he is from have anything to do with it? This sort of bias has to be called out. Not cool, McQueen.

I'd give all 21 votes to Viney if that were permissible. Otherwise, 6. Viney 5. May 4. Oscar 3. Langdon 2. Lever 1. Petracca

Hard to distinguish between the dark and light blues. And the videos show that several kicks went to opposition players. Maybe the two are connected. Or maybe we are still unable to find a teammate.

There sense in your thinking, LDV. Putting aside twins, from my memory there were brothers Abblett, McDonald, Wagner, Matera, Beams, Brown, Curnow, Hill, Jakovich, Daniher, Cornes, etc. It's obvious that T Mac has it over O Mac, but is there a pattern of whether the younger or older is generally better?

Achievements should include Gawn as captain in 2020.

Has anyone thought about whether there is a pattern to which is the better of siblings? E.g., older versus younger. I would be interested to hear the views of others more knowledgable than me.

Good as Jones has been for us, he's a long way short of the AFL's best midfielders. Has never been All-Australian.

Thanks for explaining, L36. I hadn't heard of that group before.

SWYL... Hollywood Boulevard?

Look at that centre line! Dixon, H. Mann, Adams.

Thanks for posting this. For those interested, the games record holders per ju,per number 1-10... 1. Denis Cordner 2. Nathan Jones 3. Garry Lyon 4. Norm Smith 5. David Schwarz 6. Frank Davis 7. Brian Wilson 8. Tassie Johnson 9. David Neitz 10. Lance Arnold

Forget McCartin. We should throw everything we can behind recruiting Jeremy Cameron.

If anyone had doubts about Johnson being one of our best since 1987, just watch this game.

19. CLAYTON OLIVER This natural ball-hunter is going to be well inside the top-10 by career’s end. Oliver’s hands and vision in traffic are superb, even if he is still learning to balance his game. Was All-Australian in his third year and has two club champion trophies already. Averaged 28 disposals across his first 83 games and led the league in contested possessions last year. Huh? If this about about players from 1987 to 2020, how is Oliver going to be "well inside the top-10 by career's end"? He has only the remaining games this year to climb 9 places? Unless we're talking about players who played in this era, but taking into account their output over their entire careers. In which case, Flower would be number 1 because he played in 1987, although his best years were prior to that.

The great Sean Wight was Scottish, not Irish.

Would be better for spectators. I think a new AFL would have fewer teams in Melbourne. Maybe just 6. The strong clubs like Collingwood, Richmond, Hawthorn and Essendon might be the first four, then the other clubs would have to merge or start from scratch to form the last two. Much and all as I love the history of the Melbourne Football Club, in a clean sheet future, all it has going for it is its name.

In the workshops I run for businesses, I sometimes pose this question: "If you had to close your business today and create a new one tomorrow, what would you do differently?" The idea is to get management to realise that just because something is "there", doesn't mean it should be and that there will always be new and (often) better ways if we just relax the status quo and start with a clean sheet. Such an approach may have been the thinking behind the differences that World Series Cricket brought to that game. So, if we had to close the AFL and create a whole new competition, what would be different? What could we do better? I am interested to hear what members think what "World Series Football" would be like. Consider rules, number of clubs, finals, grounds, administration... everything is up for grabs.