Turner

isnt it 34 and 4 so drafting at 7,8,37 and adding white at 66, takes us to 38 and no rookie picks with taj holding on for 12 months

we can go in with 38/4 so no rookie spots and draft at 7,8,37 and then add white at the end of the draft with 66 which would mean taj holds on

i think we split 7/8 to become 5 and 13 so for me grjl and dovaston would be the targets

interesting move, must be decent coin

I'd assume the FD has Campbell, McAdam, May and McDonald and Laurie's papers stamped, Woey too if he gets to the start line Adams, Jefferson, Kentfield almost certainly will get 1yr-ers at least as "depth" if they havent broken through. AMW, Culley, Sparrow, Henderson, Johnson would therefore be in your playing for a contract bracket Mentha should only need to turn up to get a third year on the B list leaving Melky to be a form call and the rest are priorities, Bowey, Turner, Salem, Fritsch, Chandler

we have collectively learnt nothing in the last 3 years, it really is exciting being a dees fan, how did we ever win one? Us and essendon just doing everyone else favours come trade time... stock standard and bonafide, can one be both??? it is scary that in my rolling power rankings he slides in at 23rd because he shouldnt be anywhere above 30 for anyone anymore

a talented small forward would not go astray, and a HBF

i dont like sharp, hes the old school accumulator without poise/foot skills, similar to smilie last year and i guess clarry to some extend, theres room for those types in teh afl but probably no longer a priority in the top 5. grjl is growing on me, and ur interest in rogers probably is a nod to that type of player robey is the long term target and im still a dovaston man

we're probably in the market next year at least for a draftee or swinging jvr if he has a poor year. 2026 will be may and mcdonalds last and adams would be 50:50 at best to get a 5th season next year, and thats without regarding how lever's knees/ankles hold up and whether he looks to cash in on a north melbourne type deal or tries to find a flag somewhere.

two thiings can both be true, yes i think two top 10s could both walk into our starting side next year but that doesn't mean its not a weak draft and im sure if given the chance we would prefer to be picking from a stronger bunch. the profiles in the 5-15 range dont have explicit stand out traits like in other drafts and you could easily walk into a hobbs/tsatas/clark type of so:so midfielder. langford was a really good prospect and would probably be 1 in this draft, so if there was the chance to move further up or push one back a year i have no doubt we would look to do so, or split them to target needs at 15-25 if thats where who we likes is going to fall

cant believe how ITK i was bringing this little egg to DL, thanks finey, shame u were wrong about windhager but im glad i caught this little nugget at teh time

kolodjashnij could have been so good for us, was a shame about his concussions, streets will never forget his first two years at the suns

hes 10x what howes is but adams is meant to be the goalsquare gorilla so not as comparable, petty turner lever will be the starters next season, depends how levers knees hold up i guess

sos fkd him over for his son bottom line i dont see us going here because of the fact we pulled out on derksen and may hasnt found a suitor, probably also with king telling everyone to get real and put petty where he belongs also think he has a bit of the frosts about him, he runs without direction and then coughs it up either with a handball to grass or with a a kick for distance will definitely find a home though, dons/blues/pies/dogs/roos all should be having a look eagles, swans should be asking the question

rogers staying put per cal twomey

this should be the reference point, and we're taking on more wage too... but the personal challegnes and perceivable output might push against that compared to treloar, but he also wasn't an AA or award winner at all at the time

whats his tackling pressure like? i always thought at GC him and lombard would play the gryan/mannagh/close role at the suns with the mids theyve got but seems he doesnt want to settle for that. do we see him as nibbler/spargo or as viney or does he have butters gulden potential? we're good at doing this and then pies/hawks/blues swoop in please not again

i think he slides way further back than that

i think what seperates good sides and average ones is when you can draft ahead of your needs, lions already had morris and even henry smith on board when daniher left and already had gallop when hipwood went down, or already had fletcher when kiddy did a knee and had the ashcrofts when berry does a shoulder and neale does a calf. geelong did it with shannon neale into hawks spot, he was already 3 years in and ready to go. so i look at our list next year and we have mcadam, sparrow, melksham, fritsch, chandler, mentha, johnson and hederson out of contract, so we should be adding small forwards this year like dovaston or latrelle pickett so they are second years when we move on a bunch of those names (obviously some stay) we didnt do this well with ben brown handing over to JVR and El Jefe and we aren't doing it well in the rucks either. We may get away with it for our key backs because petty did his apprenticeship and was right to go when tommo went down initially but also finding turner was a saving grace otherwise we would have been in some form of all sorts there too. the most important part of a rebuild is the spine, the roos did this wrong in the last 5 years and until they picked whitlock last year they were relying on stop gaps and NQRs in key spots, coleman-jones, teakle, pink, corr, dawson all busts. they took one tall in the first round shotgun dawson and he's struggled to come on after a good first game. dons got unfortunate with injuries to reid and hayes and i suppose to cox (hes just not very good too) they still paid up for caddy but need him to be two years more advanced than hobbs/perkins/tsatas rather than vice versa so probably need to reassess there so that when the talls are peaking they have what the blues had with weitering tdk curnow mckay and then build around that with walsh cerra and co, thats obviously burnt to the ground now however i think they followed the process correctly

nope this thread has been derailed to be just heresay now unfortunately, will need to find a new bible to refer to if you would like the facts of our list

think its definitely on par, a player with 6 games of 21+ disposals in 65. he is afl standard yes but has a ceiling, for an OOC player i think its clean enough business, the notes about first pick of second night are definitely interesting adds more value to it, can comfortably slip 2-3 spots and get a pick in the 30s next year as collateral, over to you JT

geez you're a melt, honestly your reaction just about rivals his, not sure how many times you've found yourself the centre of an entire countries media for 9 years running, critiquing your every move, clearly its taken its toll on the poor guy, u have to feel for the human element of it, end of the day hes just a bloke who wants to play footy and he's cocked up once or twice and being ran through the absolute wringer for the umpteenth time. i hope he lands at the giants and has another 5-6-7 solid years, get him in with hoges he'll look after him. the redemption could even be better than the original

i reckon LJ might still be in play you know, i think with all the collateral and picks we get we could throw something big at freo, also could make another play at harley, its just so Lamb coded to move for old targets, just look at the humphrey pursuit. otherwise i still think the play for pick 1/2 and duursma is on, played for casey, victorian, versatile HB/Mid it just is on brand to push up the board for that type of player

It is interesting how deep we are cutting the list in the weakest draft on record* Oliver, May, Petracca, McVee OUT on top of the exits already confirmed and with only Heath and Mihocek coming back the other way (given such deep cuts Woewodin probably gets 12 more months) We're looking at 31 Senior 4 A and 1B (ok two B for the berry believers) Meaning we have 7 spots still to fill (5+2 OR 7+0) and I'd be shocked if we wanted to take more than the minimal 3 draftees (2 + Kalani or MAYBE could see it being 4 if we take Sinnema in the ND if we are likely to think he would be given a 2nd year as a rookie anyway to properly develop) So even if May doesn't leave and with White locked in that would still be 5 more spots to fill. thats ALOT in a weak draft. compared to some years when players are chopped early clubs will be more willing to back what they have this year (meaning next year they'll probably cut deeper if the draft projects better providing better DFA opportunities) this year theres just no delisted players who intrigue me at all. so where do we find 5 players from? do we carry 1 or 2 spots into PS or even the MSD?

probably we swap selections around and get some going forward or back or futures or what not to help them get the hand they need to do what they need and us to get up the order or an extra higher pick next year or what not so almost certainly will take time