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Culley is 23 at his second club with 20 games at the level, so still doesnt meet ya criteria

@spirit of norm smith my thinking with woey is too vanilla, what are his strengths and what role does he play at afl level and who does he go past the heath links were called out as "done deal" by i think it was Finey on SEN on a sunday night maybe three weeks back, i was listening on my way home, from work maybe 20mins after the final siren (maybe after heaths debut game?) didnt record the audio unfortunately or go back and look too hard for it my issue with targetting these players is theyre just more of the same, theyre somewhere between vfl and afl and dont offer anything different from what we have. realistically a midfield needs 1x DEF minded tackler/first hands operator. for us this is Viney/Oliver/Langford the perfect example is Geelong Atkins and youve named Brodie/Davies/Hustwaite 1x kicker we have nil but maybe Lindsay/Windsor, this is Holmes 1x burst "striker" Petracca/Kozzy/Rivers? who dont deliver it particularly well but exit with power and intent Danger/BaileySmith the dogs use Libba/Richards/Bont suns its rowell/anderson/touk (second two fairly interchangeable lions its dunkley/clug/washcroft I like your mention of Pedlar offers more than Spargo and Sharp imo, Lord i woulda mentioned 12 months ago but jsut doesnt seem to have the minerals to really smash a pack. i wish we'd targetted Peter Wright instead of BBB all those years ago when both moved for 4th rounders despite the flag Wright would be 28 now same age bracket as our core for the last 3 years and would protect JVR/MJ and allow Petty to play back, coulda been such an enabling piece of the puzzle Walsh's back is [censored]ed dont go near him fritsch is the one u have to keep of all the 25+ yo we have, he is too good on his day and in the right system will thrive and young enough to still have 5-7 years ahead of him look at gunston and what hes doing

Key Defenders: May, Petty, Turner, Adams, Derksen, White General Def: Lever, McVee, Salem, Bowey, Moniz-Wakefield (A), Howes, Sestan (A) Midfielders: Oliver, Viney, Petracca, Rivers, Windsor, Langdon, Langford, Sparrow, Lindsay, Laurie, Sinnema Rucks: Gawn, Heath General Fwd: Fritsch, Pickett, Chandler, Melksham, Sharp, Tholstrup, Johnson, McAdam, KBrown (A), Mentha (B), Rosas, Dovaston Key Forwards: van Rooyen, Jefferson, Kentfield (A) OUT: McDonald, Hore, Billings, Woewodin, Culley, Campbell, Verrall, Spargo, Henderson, Fullarton Anyone in italics I'd listen to offers on Bold are the ins i want or have been speculated Sestan, Kynan Brown survive but only just, key forward cupboard is so bare and only the first 4 of currently listed forwards are actually capable afl players

Culley, Henderson, Billings, Hore, Fullarton kind of mature? The one thing you notice about geelong or collingwood is they keep afl capable players around and cut from the fringes. we shed in the 15-25 zone and then dont have capable players coming in. Harmes, Jordon, Bedford, Nibbler even Hunt were all capable players. they make decisions on rookies after 1-2 years and they've never been burnt by this Now we have 3-4 year players with zero afl experience which typically means they haven't been good enough to warrant a game. Howes just signed up to finish his 6th season!!! Has anyone seen anything in his 20 afl games to justify a 6 year career. Has Spargo done anything since '21 to justify another 2 years? (I just presume that one will happen) Do we give Sestan or Verrall or Woewodin another 12 months after they've not broken into a side sitting 15th! Verrall can't even get the number 1 ruck spot off Campbell in the magoos and is so undersized for the modern game as a ruckman so whats his role coz he has hardly shot the lights out as a 3rd year key forward either? we're afraid to make change and cut our losses. We should be making 12-14 list changes this year (AFL avg is 8 + we need to shed 2 extras for the LTI replacements we had)

its absolutely shameless by simon sparrow spargo petty in sharp kolt may out i dont get it, have any of them done enough to come back in, not really you have to say.i hope petty is down back and stays there and mcdonald goes out when mays back. spargo and sparrow get gifted games like no one else and with no repurcussions anymore, sharp genuinely offers more than them both and hits the scoreboard more regularly and honestly why did we recruit culley and henderson in preseason to play them for 0 and 5 games, if theyre so not at the level and youve had one of them training for preseason and has 4 years afl experience and the other is 25 with years of exposed vfl form, you just have to get those picks right who impact at afl level otherwise why are we not adding two more 18 year olds who we can actually develop to be better players in 12 months than they are now

he does some things well and looks like he could be toby greene or danger/stringer at HF and then he looks like sparrow/viney/langdon at HF where theres no scoreboard impact and not much stoppage impact and you are a professional tennis net. yes its possinly the least rewarding role in footy but when someone does it well, nibbler, chandler now i think is doing fairly well. heeney dusty its very good. so on the sparrow to heeney scale hes more sparrow, and i prefer sparrow

no doubt, but he's a limited footballer and im not sure what his role is in the seniors as not a key tall and behind fritsch and melky as a third tall. he has limited skills and is suited to lower skilled football where bash and crash becomes more prevalent and gets found out and lost a bit when the game moves quickly. a good possibly great vfl footballer but i havent seen anything from his chances at afl level to date, or most vfl games (he was playing on an irishman v carlton) to justify his selection at the point in the season over younger prospects with higher ceiling

new name to throw into the mix, i like what luke nankervis has done in limited opportunities at the crows, has been playing forward recently in the sanfl to try and get him back in the ones but his work at HB and on the wing has been fairly decent in my opinion... haven't actually gone to the stats yet

I really really want us to get up to Lachy Dovaston as a small forward who kicks goals and can work up the ground Secondly Sam Cumming is my next option as just a nice kicker then you throw in Sinnema and White and maybe a new developing ruck or FB and thats a good mix i realise getting dovaston and cumming is a massive ask but at this stage my knowledge deeper into the draft isnt there

its time this week, but they probably go AJ dont they

Gruzewski is only listed at 192 he works next to cadman and hogan or even one of them and the irishman brown but him JVR and MJ have an average height of 193 thats just not gonna cut it in 2025. Look at who is dominating the next decade, Kings, Darcy, Cadman, Thilthorpe, Jamarra the shortest of them is 195 and the tallest is 200+. and then you have guys like Lobb, SDK, Zach Reid, Wil Dawson who are all huge too at the other end of the field, our guys just dont have the reach or leap like a Jack Riewoldt or Aaron Naughton has to actually get up and over a pack, JVR just jumps into them at best, doesnt get his hands above and MJ only marks them on his chest on his own (and even then he drops them) Did anyone here the SEN clip on sunday night post game Finey i think it was basically said we had Max Heath the saints ruck who debuted two weeks ago on the hook done deal. Makes sense he'd want out given TDKs arrival, Dodsons VFL form and Boyd/Marshall on the list too. I havent seen enough to have an opinion on him other than a 204cm guy at 22yo is good depth and has upside as a low cost option. Could mean the end for Verrall who at 199 doesnt really mark heaps of footy around the ground, doesnt really kick goals resting forward and also for TC who has had real body issues this year at 34yo as good a clubman as he is

I think in previous years, particularly when we've been winning selection integrity has lacked and there have been some passengers but i think for the most part this year goodwin has got it right. Fullarton got his go - didnt get it right, Billings has had chances didnt get it right, Lever was rightly dropped when his impact tailed off Given there are 6 rounds to go and finals are out of the equation i dont think selection integrity is about who is in form in the VFL but is more about who will take this club forward next year. Windsor, Tholstrup, JVR, MJ are the ones we have invested high picks in and have seen mixed results from so lets give them 6 weeks to find their feet at the level and give them a platform to attack preseason in. I wouldn't be surprised if Sestan or Kentfield find themselves a game before years end. Spargo is the only one i think we have truly mismanaged this year and frankly im glad he's being made to earn his spot now as he has always been one who has been gifted games, likewise i think Sparrows concussion as nasty as it was will be a blessing in disguise for the side. He was not performing to the levels he should have been as a prospective CB midfielder or as a high half forward. I would prefer he came back through the magoos and we let Langford, Langdon and Viney rotate through that HF spot with Sharp and Tholstrup also given opportunities. Sharp for his limitations as a player i think has more consistently performed his role and impacted on the scoreboard as a HF than Sparrow has in '25. For this week, McDonald, Lever, Sparrow OUT. Petty (DEF), May, Sharp (sub) IN

opportunity youd have to assume, maybe getting a better wicket too

In terms of senior players you'd have to shop about Lever (Turners role now) May (get Petty back there asap + Derksen coming in in TMacs place) Sparrow/Langdon - no room for them both and Viney at HF and you aren't trading the VC Spargo - i actually want to know the stats on times mentioned in best players / games played at AFL level Oliver - hurts coz he was a star but writing is on the wall now and its Langford / Rivers spot Hore/Billings/McAdam/Henderson/Culley/Fullarton all signed as mature agers in the last 24 months and have been busts coulda been 6 kids thought id throw my 2 cents in

think this is more an us lockdown issue rather than a Harvey coming of age situation

Agree with most of the last posts, genuinely said to my old man last week that if the Judd murmours turn out to be true i dont think it is the biggest loss. With Windsor and Bowey you have two gun HBs, we obviously can't trust Salem's body and maybe he is one that moves up to the wing to be more a contest player like Brayshaw was and Lindsay goes back but AMW absolutely can be a proper lockdown defender, we let Cooper Harvey sit 4 on us for gods sake.

What i find interesting is this thread began with comparisons to Tapscott and is currently comparing him to Nibbler but no one has mentioned Chandler. I think that is the most similar profile currently. Chandler was afforded 3 years at Casey without debut, came in and I wasn't sold, was a small forward without much goal sense or creativity, tackled a bit. But he has offered a much better showing up the ground as a more mature body and with an improved work rate he still tackles and has a good enough step to get the ball out into some space. Do i think he will ever be a 200 gamer, unlikely, will he ever finish higher than 5-10 in a BnF probably/hopefully not. But he is at least a serviceable 15-30 player on the list. Kolt probably has that sort of career in him if he can work on his obvious deviciencies. Do i think he would be better served playing inside mid in the VFL for the rest of the season. Probably. is there anyone I'd rather see in the side for the next 6 weeks, Sharp yes, Windsor yes, Pup at least for a few games, he might be an ordinary kick but his tackle pressure i am a fan of. Spargo, Hendo, Culley, Johnson dont bother. and i dont see how we can continue to play Sparrow/Viney/Oliver/Langdon all in the same side if we're giving Langford/Lindsay/Windsor the wing rotations

Hate to knock a good bloke when hes down but the list management decision to re-sign him last year, pass on Riak Andrew (who Swom have already extended out for a 3rd year) and not use the rookie spot on AJ instead of the ND pick, was poor forward thinking and overly optimistic on our chances this year

100% agreed SONS, you'd do worse than give him 12 months but i am firmly of the belief that we can only play one of sparrow and viney in the side, we just don't get enough scoring from our forward line. particularly if lindsay and windsor are wing/HB options for the future and langdon is gonna be playing HF tagging HBs. other options around the comp? none come to mind. i woulda been interested in reville before he signed on with brissie yesterday, mclachlan maybe? behind a few, butler at the hawks? dovaston is a draft prospect who was MSD eligible i really woulda liked to have seen tariek newchurch in action during his 3yrs at the crom but didnt get a look and is back at community level now - still think he could play at the level in a dudley-esque role

i immediately thought of may, booming kick, fast, slightly undersized

interesting what happens here if we sign Berry, is Mentha out? will we take Sinnema in the ND? will we move Mentha to an 'A' rookie. are you actually allowed 3 B rookies? i dont know

Think most people are pretty well aligned here, For me only one of Sparrow or Viney can be in the side as they offer the same amounts of nothing, tackling pressure yes, disposal efficiency no, goal awareness as a resting fwd nothing As a 25yo myself I'm so jealous of teams who have 1 club legends to reflect on like Geelong, Hawks, Pies. It's why I've always been desperate to see Clarry be a dee for life, but the smart footballing decision is to move on from him. Trac, Rivers, Pickett, ??Bergman??, Sparrow/Viney, Windsor/Lindsay and Langford offers you enough depth there. Tmac for Derksen is an easy direct swap, and Petty is an AA FB once May retires and he gets a proper go in the role. The worst thing we can do is give Spargo 2 years coz we feel sorry for him being injured and give Henderson/Culley another chance to prove their worth as late additions to the list. Mature bodies sure, upside nothing

Feel like he's failed everywhere hes been?

What would you do if you were the list manager this year? Who retires? Who is delisted? Who is pushed for trade? For me Retire: Billings, Campbell Delist: Culley, Henderson, Fullarton, Hore, Woewodin, McAdam Trade/FA: Spargo, Laurie

Defensively Howes is a liability, regularly lead to the footy by his man, ineffective in the air (compared to Lever who is the same size and build) and not strong enough in the tackle, he's a ball in hand footballer but does he A) find it enough at afl level to maximise his useage or B) use it better than May, Bowey, Salem McVee who currently are responsible for moving it out of defence? If its a lockdown spot thats their for the taking then next year AMW will be back ahead of him there as well, plus Windsor has spent time there. Not my cup of tea and if we were to resign him it should be for 12 months at best, but I'd prefer to see Sestan get an AFL chance to see how he compares to the level compared to Howes who we know what we get with when he plays.