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Think most people are pretty well aligned here, For me only one of Sparrow or Viney can be in the side as they offer the same amounts of nothing, tackling pressure yes, disposal efficiency no, goal awareness as a resting fwd nothing As a 25yo myself I'm so jealous of teams who have 1 club legends to reflect on like Geelong, Hawks, Pies. It's why I've always been desperate to see Clarry be a dee for life, but the smart footballing decision is to move on from him. Trac, Rivers, Pickett, ??Bergman??, Sparrow/Viney, Windsor/Lindsay and Langford offers you enough depth there. Tmac for Derksen is an easy direct swap, and Petty is an AA FB once May retires and he gets a proper go in the role. The worst thing we can do is give Spargo 2 years coz we feel sorry for him being injured and give Henderson/Culley another chance to prove their worth as late additions to the list. Mature bodies sure, upside nothing

Feel like he's failed everywhere hes been?

What would you do if you were the list manager this year? Who retires? Who is delisted? Who is pushed for trade? For me Retire: Billings, Campbell Delist: Culley, Henderson, Fullarton, Hore, Woewodin, McAdam Trade/FA: Spargo, Laurie

Defensively Howes is a liability, regularly lead to the footy by his man, ineffective in the air (compared to Lever who is the same size and build) and not strong enough in the tackle, he's a ball in hand footballer but does he A) find it enough at afl level to maximise his useage or B) use it better than May, Bowey, Salem McVee who currently are responsible for moving it out of defence? If its a lockdown spot thats their for the taking then next year AMW will be back ahead of him there as well, plus Windsor has spent time there. Not my cup of tea and if we were to resign him it should be for 12 months at best, but I'd prefer to see Sestan get an AFL chance to see how he compares to the level compared to Howes who we know what we get with when he plays.

A shout i've seen believe it was in the afl.com article related to each clubs feedback on academies is any undrafted NGA eligible player can be signed by any club as catB. currently it still has to be from within your own zone, recently we've brought through AMW but thats it as a catB indigneous player whilst WCE have had 4-5 listed and shuffled them to A rookies and essendon and collingwood and gcs have heavily multicultural zones currently provided larger numbers. if we could "poach" or more free-ly list these players it would solve some of the problems related to decreasing numbers at the pro level and make it a more worthwhile investment for the afl and clubs

Might be walsh or woewodin next year Taj just doesnt have enough to differentiate himself to make the step up to afl. what are hi strengths what does he bring to the side that soneone else doesnt. until he works out what this is there isnt a spot for him. will be up against it at EOS i suspect

They really need to play Culley in that role at vfl level rather than as an inside mid. need to see his forward craft and lead up movements coz thats where the opening will come in the senior team. will be disappointed if we have added him onto the list as another dunstan rather than leaving a spot for MSD or taking a player with upside like yze or this caleb lewis monster as examples Spargo was ok on the weekend i thought from watching but 7 touches and 1 tackle just isnt enough, agree re sharp but both are ahead of henderson for mine. a position we really need to find options in at the draft or around the league. Luke Pedlar maybe? We need to have a ping at zac bailey as a FA next year these are facts but aren't actually reflective on current output or definitive of a player either. i could also tell you sharp was a grand final sub and spargo has played 5 games in the last 18 months.

aus academy vs coburg was streamed on afl.com might be highlights or full match replay there or their youtube site?

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Not sure if anyone else watched Kalani yesterday. but your basketball point is very valid. given as he didnt see a minute of rucking he just doesnt attack the footy, just stands with his arms up being tall, wouldn;'t be surprised if he falls to a rookie pick. definitely not the great white hope he has been pegged as for the lasdt few years

MELBOURNEArchie Walsh■ Son of Melbourne and Port Adelaide defender Peter Walsh ■ 180cm midfielder/half-back ■ SANFL team: West Adelaide ■ 2025 statistics: Five under-18s games (25.4 disposals, 7.2 marks, 3.6 tackles, 5.4 inside 50s, 97.6 ranking points) ■ West Adelaide under-18 coach Russell Godson says: “He spent a week with the Demons in February, which he really enjoyed. He’s an unbelievably hard worker with very good endurance who wins our 2km time trial. He can win contests. He’s historically played as a midfielder but for his development we’ve put him as a high defender this season. Similarly to his dad, he rarely gets beaten in a contest, is excellent one-on-one and is very consistent.” ■ Recruiter says: “He’s a hard-at-it, dependable midfielder.” West Adelaide duo Lukas Eagleton and Archie Walsh only qualify at the Western Bulldogs and Melbourne respectively despite their dads’ history with the Power. Eagleton’s dad, Nathan, played 56 games for Port and 221 for the Dogs, while Walsh’s father, Peter, recorded 35 matches for the Power and 104 for the Demons.

it's not always about selection, fwiw i was at geelong in r3, but also giving JVR the chance to go back for two weeks kick a couple bags of 3, clunk a few marks and get his confidence up then come back into the 1s and do teh same.

yep, same way swans listed indi kirk and freo listed jaren carr after their draft years

Yuck, looked awful against us in the VFL few weeks back. Pedlar was raised as gettable this week, similar position to Sharp in terms of where he is in the Crows list profile and age, do we give him two years? Given Billings, Spargo, Melksham, Henderson, Brown, Culley are all OOC (and surely we pay out Laurie and McAdam), we're surely looking to make significant personnel changes in the HFF areas. Pedlar has also moved through the middle, similar to Sparrow or ANB in that sense? (of that lot only Brown i'd keep on / maybe Culley).

exactly and then jsut pick johnson as a rookie

happy to be called out on this for being wrong or jumping too early, but i like to document my thoughts a year out and see how close i think to the actual list managers for EOS 25 Retire: Melksham, McDonald Delist: Hore, Fullarton, Billings, Howes, AMW, Sestan Laurie to move down to rookie list too with a 2026 contract McDonald could get another 1yr, Campbell could be 1 and done Feel like Howes, AMW and Woey are playing for one maybe two spots on the list, woey the most versatile Could also see a McAdam pay out like Hunter this year, its not beyond us to make these moves

i was harsh on him early and tbh i dont think its a bad pick after reading some balanced reviews. age aggression are massive ticks, i think the frustration was mainly at the lack of riak. ideally id take both of them on the list and would have asked fullarton, mcadam or hore to step off honestly maybe even melky given our next flag isn't coming enxt year, but i think the leadership, professionalism and drive he offers plus he still contributes on field justifies his spot. cam pederson is the comparison i'd make

said so in the johnson thread, but im truly gutted by this, its non-commital by the club and is going against the youthful processes we've been on for some time now. theres just so many ways this ends badly for us, watching mac flourish, ourselves getting destroyed by aliir playing against the swans in the past. i think his athletic potential once in the pro systems, he's gonna make us look so silly

honestly for mine, he'd wanna win a coleman next year. to actively select a 24yo vfl battler, yes he has some mongrel about him, over riak boggles me. Riak in the right system, skies the limit. he was putting genuine games together at the end of the season, taking intercepts and shutting down this drafts best key forwards, we should have given him 2 or 3 years, would have got so much more out of the pick than johnson. i pray im proven wrong but its hard to buy in on raw data

seems everyone is torn on him but reading your comment i immediately think of brady hough at the eagles, has sized up slightly but 50 games in granted in a struggling side i've not seen him really impact a game or show anything outside of just average footballer, but i remember thinking wow hes scrawny in his debut season. given hes 2 full seasons in without impacting the game immensely do we still go for lindsay knowing we will need to wait 3 years to judge or do we want immediate impact and see that more in allan travaglia or tauru if theyre there

Key Defenders: May, McDonald, Adams General Def: Lever, Salem, Bowey, McVee, Hore (A), Moniz-Wakefield (B), Woewodin, Howes Midfielders: Oliver, Viney, Petracca, Rivers, Windsor, Sparrow, Langdon, Billings, Sharp, Laurie, KBrown (A) Rucks: Gawn, Campbell, Fullarton, Verrell (A) General Fwd: Fritsch, Pickett, Spargo, Melksham, Chandler, Tholstrup, McAdam, Sestan (A) Key Forwards: van Rooyen, Petty, Turner, Jefferson, Kentfield (A) i always like to highlight the players out of contract coz i think its a good tell on where we will look to recruit as theres obvious uncertertainty abiut the current crop. it's no wonder we went hard for Houston. It's also why after the best available at 5, travaglia or allan is my preferred targets at 9. (or tauru if he gets there). Riak would add depth as as a key back and mentha as a small forward too. If we take 79 id expect it to be a ruck or KPD

in bold is the changes ive made, mostly you overvalue-ing players who have not had meaningful or decisive impact on a game either ever or in over 12 months. Tholstrup played 12 games, to call him a B grader is ambitious on current output, not to say he cant or wont get there in time. again some adjustments imo, fullarton clearly not a ruck given our determination to play anyone else but him there and howes, woey, chandler etc will never receive mid time, if they do we are in a world of trouble, theyre scratching afl standard / mfc standard in less demandinf or important positions as it is

i dont think it does coz i think AMW moves onto the A list wgucg means we have the max of 6. coz we had 7 last year when kentfield repalced brayshaw

howes has played 16 games placing him =37th overall for games played from his draft with miller bergman from north 55 games, two whole seasons of top level football behind the leaders of his class. i didnt say i dont think hes got some nice attributes, likewise sharp he was clearly a targetted recruit and a moneyball selection given what we believe his output will be compared to teh price of the trade but i am not overly optomistic either one will have any meaningful or consistent impact in the next 12-24 months at which point both will be 24yo's with 6 years in the league. look how quickly geelong make calls on their draftees. with many not being given longer than the initial 1 or 2 years. we almost always extend out to 4 for every draftee which limits our felxibility at this time of year

im on board SONS! (we see eye to eye too often) would go past hore immediately and howes, amw pretty quickly too imo coupled with salems inconsistent availability and boweys lack of progression i think this is good business. couple him up with langford for mine