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afl average is actually 8 changes per season per club so its pretty on par especially given as they had 3x MSD selections bloating their list so they had to make a mandated 3 for that + 3 to free up ND picks meaning they've only made 3 additional changes

yep annually, id say its 70% to protect clubs from themselves and promote list turnover which also regenerates the age of lists and 30% to ensure the pathways are rewarded and kids get exposure

clubs are mandated to take 3 ND picks (can include rookie promotions) and we also have +2 on our list as a result of AMW and McAdams LTI so we re required to make at least 5 changes, two of which need to come from the rookie list (or promote 2 rookies to the senior list and make additional space there)

WHO GETS THE 'REVERSE COLEMAN'?JEREMY Cameron won the Coleman Medal in a canter, kicking 83 goals in the home and away season ahead of Ben King's tally of 69. But what about the 'reverse Coleman'? The reverse Coleman relates to the defenders who have conceded the most goals to their opponents throughout the year and the title goes to Port Adelaide's Aliir Aliir this year. The Port backman conceded 49 goals this season, often taking the opposition's best forward in a tough season for both Port Adelaide and Aliir, who battled injuries to continue to take the field late in the campaign Richmond's Ben Miller (46 goals) was next most along with Carlton's Jacob Weitering, with Bulldog Rory Lobb and West Coast's Reuben Ginbey (44) the next most conceded. Steven May (43), Luke Ryan (42) and Callum Wilkie (42) were after that on the list, with Ryan the only player from a finalist side in the top list of the reverse Coleman. But what about the 'reverse reverse Coleman?' The players who conceded the fewest goals… We put a minimum 20 games played to get the best measure of the stingiest defenders, with the results showing the half-backs to lead the way. Champion Data's referencing includes all players whose primary position for the year was as a defender, meaning those who played some midfield time are included. Under that model, the players with the fewest goals conceded (with a minimum of 20 games played), were Port skipper Connor Rozee and Fremantle backman Bailey Banfield with nine each yes he takes the best forward, but even being on this list shows he has had a decline, at 33yo surely that only worsens next year

i know theres always the argument especially recently about picking off other teans trash and it failing but sam butler should be on our whiteboard

On will verrall, i see little point persevering with him given s he can't usurp campbell. My case is this, looking around the comp at developing rucks the ones that stand out to me are Lachie Smith (WBD) and Nick Madden (GWS) who are good case studies compared to Verrall. Smith 19yo 203cm - VFL avgs: 14.5 touches, 2.2 marks, 4.4 tackles, 34.2 hitouts Madden 21yo 204cm - VFL avgs: 19.4 touches 3.8 marks, 3.7 tackles, 31.4 hitouts Verrall - 21yo 199cm - VFL avgs: 12.9 touches, 1.4 marks, 2.5 tackles, 16.6 hitouts we need to cut our losses and go again here, I'm not sure this years rucks are highly ranked but verrall is undersized and not impacting either in contest or around the ground which is concerning i think it is really obvious after even 12 months if you have found a ruckman who has an afl level ceiling or not and maybe we hedged our bets that he could be a FF but he isn't hitting the scoreboard either.

he just isn't a midfielder at the next level but seems unwilling to try something different to make the jump, its either that high HF sparrow/sharp role that we're crying out for (hello pre agent zac bailey please) or lockdown defender (seems zippy enough and is definitely tough enough think liam stocker and how his career has changed)

Paul Amy tweeted about him today as well, probably a train on or rookie option at the moment but looks to be one of those late bloomer types, what type of player is he? you say tall forward but then he's having 40?

really hope north don't pull there offer to charlie, this is the kind of move we need to make to progress.

adding a new name to the watchlist, was raised on sen today as a trade target for victorian clubs but actually has been on my mind a while (i know people who know) jordan butts is down the order at adelaide, good shep boy his mates are down here in melbourne, if he got 3 years security here i rkn he'd take it. assume north would have a look, maybe dogs/blues/dons/pies if we hadnt have been so set on may and mcdonald we mightve been able to have a look too. wont set the world on fire but billy frampton is a premiership player and he isnt 33 years old

staying -everyone going -brown, woey, fullarton, henderson, billings terrible waste of words that article.

HUN officially name dropped us amongst 5 clubs into mal rosas

if i was the eagles i'd be nervous drafting young willem, yasmin and xavier have both had trades back to Victoria early on in their careers, theyre a tight family, whilst he may be the best on the open market they surely dont want another harley reid story arc where it is just the whole narrative for 3+ years and wouldn't it be a disaster if they both then left in '28. I think they have to consider what a trade of pick 2 for 5 and 8 or 4 and a f1 looks like

thsts my concern too, look at how verrall is developing at a similar age which is pretty slowly, you'd just lvoe for them both to be 202-203cm at least

ahh yep woulda been the better thread to post in, surely ends up on an afl list, raw footy smarts and ability can only be enhanced within a professional environment, wonder what the knock on him last year was that let him slide through undrafted?

is this for the boys playing out the finals with casey too or just the ones who are done for the year? are we likely to get any sort of departure statements this week or not until we bow out of the vfl?

I'd be right into this guy, 18yo and dominating the forward line at brisbane, given melky's age he could develop really nicely behind fritsch and himself for 12 months. proven vfl player who seemingly would thrive in the afl environment

i'd entertain it 100% spot goes to petty or derksen with lever and turner you arent losing much

we need to stop recruiting in the 15-30 bracket f=of our list, you arent playing him ahead of bowey, mcvee, salem or rivers so whats the point? take a kid with upside not another 27yo average afl goer

Have had two go's at this so roughly a month apart and since the end of the season has arrived i feel its fair to give it one final attempt Retire: Hore, Billings, McDonald, Campbell Delist: Woewodin, Henderson, Brown, Fullarton, Verrall Trade: Petracca, May UFA: Spargo If we can pay out Laurie or McAdam then thats a bonus, dont think it saves anyone per se but they are list cloggers. McDonald or Fullarton could stay, and honestly I'd lean Fullarton now, but McDonald one game shy of 250 probably keeps his spot. May showed hes about to fall off a cliff, his assets are starting to fail him with age. We cannot enter 2026 with May and McDonald as our key defenders. Fullarton has shown in 3 weeks that maybe he can be a solution. I think one domino falls, for me it would be salem or oliver but i think trac to the hawks is a possibility.

it actually benefits the club as x% of their wage is paid outside the cap i believe, which is why some teams will leave spots open after the ND and then sign SPP players etc to overload their rookie list more so than their senior with a 36-6 split compared to a 38-4 on the issue of demoting veterans etc to the rookie list i would change it so that you can only slide players down (no DFA attached) as they come off their draft contract and theyve played less than 10 games. so they really are rookies, later ND selections who are taking longer drafted in the later rounds, dead set rookies that need an extra year or so to develop. none of this gunston marc murphy nonsense and also not your mcadam/laurie types being pushed down to hide contract years teh club would ideally like to get out of

may lmao 6 gawn 5 turner 4 fritsch 3 oliver 2 langford 1 petracca

no one better mention zaine cordy next i swear to god

no, lock this thread look at where our list is at, we're not in the 32yo injury prone wont get a game ahead of xyz camp at the moment, especially when 3 of the 4 you've listed as not getting ahead of have been linked to exits themselves as theyre performing below expectation

no, lock this thread