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we are far too conservative with list management, if we were stephen wells and andrew mackie, theyd both be gone and theyd find a shrewd pickup elsewhere, having said that no one already delisted as raised an eyebrow for me at all except maybe jacob blight who reportedly did a medical at the filth. but surely in 12 months and 5 afl games they could tell henderson was best going to have a similar output next year and instead go and find someone who has a higher ceiling or more room to grow. even the fact they said they had offered spargo a deal confuses me. next year ive got sparrow, johnson and jeffo in might sights. probably all 3 at some stage get new deals but what do they show in the next 12 months that says yep i'm going to play impactful afl games and be part of the next dynasty, likewise mackie and wells would not have given howes 2 years in june, it would have been wait till post trade and then maybe heres 12 months if we cant see something else we like with more significant afl output, theres a few "inspector gadget" type vfl interceptors in the fothergil-round-mitchell hunt who surely can show more than year 5-6 of howes, and if not then 12-24 months whatever their draft contract is and go and look again instead of trying to always fill the roll of the player before them henderson --> spargo, sharp --> neal-bullen that fits 1 game plan and 1 play style why dont we try something different. go and get 3 small goalkicking tackling forwards and lets be the most dangerous ball on the deck forward line in the comp if we arent going to have anyone to mark it. viney look mate you're not attending a single centre bounce next year, you are the half forward go and stalk the stoppage and tackle thats your roll now and if its not him its alright langdon your wing is now lindsays and culleys or lindsays and windsors youre the HF and lets go and see who the next mcvee or dempsey is and find some 18yo's for the rookie list. point being hendersons 2026 output isnt going to wow any of us and likely we will be having the same debate or all calling for him to be delisted next year, wouldn't you rather the raw talent like a sestan and see where they can get to in 2-3 years and watch them develop instead of just a known depth go-er

michael barlow his werribee coach said on the footy and freinds podcast today that he bumped into him earlier this week and he had been offered a new deal, not even a wait till post trade. which would make woey jnr the singular player left in limbo

doubling down on this being not a bad idea, for 26, ideally petty goes back and we play forwards forward first and foremost but out of contract next year we have 3x KPD may, mcdonald adams 1x ruckman -campbell 3x KPF - kentfield jefferson johnson even melksham as a fourth we are going to need mature bodies who are afl standard to replace them, he isnt worse than a mcstay or gardner or frampton type now

i just remember his stutter step approach to tackling in the north melbourne game and i put a line through him from that point onwards, was scared to hit blokes, he would slow down and corral his oponent instead of running through them, not what i want my small forwards to do, also dont think he has the goal sense required or has the speed of mind to make the next step from vfl - slow to dispose

if my side was bottom of the ladder for 5 years and tried to sell me hope with sentimental 3 year deals for non goal kicking small forwards after busting on fisher, tucker, stephenson and others who just repeat the cycle i would be fairly livid too, hes a good fluff player but is hardly going to carry them up the ladder

You had me at the first bit but probably didnt completely land at the end. Agree he was overrated and unimpactful and got a generous run at selection - not discrediting he played some gooder games around some mostly uninspiring ones. the same DLers who moan about selection integrity "goodys boys" and vfl form not being rewarded throughout the season suddenly become ultra sensative to list changes and the club trying to find solutions and different combos to take us forward. 10 years, peaked as a player and rightfully shakes hands and takes up a more secure deal and more secure gametime, thankyou and best wishes look at what watson or lohmann/weightman are doing, or what mannagh and max hall from the vfl are doing, the right players are out there and its time we go and find some new ones for our HF flanks. Sam butler? pedlar? harvey harrison even maybe or can we get a mcreery out, do we focus some draft selections there? dovaston?

he's been part of the really bad since '21 its time for us to invest in different profiles and build towards the next flag, spargs wasn't going to take us there hopefully we can find someone else who can

i think in terms of contracted players or mature players with afl experience then you are correct, but with rookies who failed to make the grade, traded in depth players and injury prone 30yo's the list management and broader coaching team will have seen enough to make decisions with the football clubs best inteests at heart on those types

list size is out now beyond mcvee priorities next year Bowey, Fritsch, Turner and then i suppose Chin, slim pickings after that however...

this hasnt actually come out anywhere from the club yet

this is how the list currently projects, the orange spots are interchangeable so we would be required to make two more cuts to free up 2 more draft picks this may be laurie and mcadam to the rookie list or it may be billings/woewodin or spargo / another senior player leaving between now and end of trade period

except for fullarton who played 2

I dont think it would stop us moving for him, if the 23rd bench spot is going to be used as the media suggests then he could still sometimes play that way, also 12 months developing his fwd craft possibly even playing as a fwd for us and then campbell would be done and he'd be number 1 (unless dogga returns) better to be second behind gawn than second behind tdk for the next 5 years. and as redleg mentioned dodson has huge wraps and has likely already gone past him. likewise we could see caminiti playing fwd next year given SOS Aleer pairing next to Wilkie and Howard in reserve

you and i have very very differing definitions of a jet. he has no traits which translate to afl football. kicking average, size average, marking good but size will impact this, tackling good but do u want to pick someone coz they tackle. will be lucky to stay on beyond next year and if he plays more than a handful of games next year we wont be trending where we want to be trending either haven't seen this anywhere but demonland so far?

don't think targetted is fair, landed maybe but we were the ones who disrupted houston and ended up handing him to the pies on a platter remember all the dogga links from earlier in the season too surely if we were in for windy we had a chat to callaghan earlier this year too

THIS he's about to explode as a player, has good power and is as hard as they come.

reminds me of ashton moir in how much he slid from his early hype and its fair to say no club has been burnt by him yet (kicked a bag against us tho but ive come to expect these sort of things now)

afl average is actually 8 changes per season per club so its pretty on par especially given as they had 3x MSD selections bloating their list so they had to make a mandated 3 for that + 3 to free up ND picks meaning they've only made 3 additional changes

yep annually, id say its 70% to protect clubs from themselves and promote list turnover which also regenerates the age of lists and 30% to ensure the pathways are rewarded and kids get exposure

clubs are mandated to take 3 ND picks (can include rookie promotions) and we also have +2 on our list as a result of AMW and McAdams LTI so we re required to make at least 5 changes, two of which need to come from the rookie list (or promote 2 rookies to the senior list and make additional space there)

WHO GETS THE 'REVERSE COLEMAN'?JEREMY Cameron won the Coleman Medal in a canter, kicking 83 goals in the home and away season ahead of Ben King's tally of 69. But what about the 'reverse Coleman'? The reverse Coleman relates to the defenders who have conceded the most goals to their opponents throughout the year and the title goes to Port Adelaide's Aliir Aliir this year. The Port backman conceded 49 goals this season, often taking the opposition's best forward in a tough season for both Port Adelaide and Aliir, who battled injuries to continue to take the field late in the campaign Richmond's Ben Miller (46 goals) was next most along with Carlton's Jacob Weitering, with Bulldog Rory Lobb and West Coast's Reuben Ginbey (44) the next most conceded. Steven May (43), Luke Ryan (42) and Callum Wilkie (42) were after that on the list, with Ryan the only player from a finalist side in the top list of the reverse Coleman. But what about the 'reverse reverse Coleman?' The players who conceded the fewest goals… We put a minimum 20 games played to get the best measure of the stingiest defenders, with the results showing the half-backs to lead the way. Champion Data's referencing includes all players whose primary position for the year was as a defender, meaning those who played some midfield time are included. Under that model, the players with the fewest goals conceded (with a minimum of 20 games played), were Port skipper Connor Rozee and Fremantle backman Bailey Banfield with nine each yes he takes the best forward, but even being on this list shows he has had a decline, at 33yo surely that only worsens next year

i know theres always the argument especially recently about picking off other teans trash and it failing but sam butler should be on our whiteboard

On will verrall, i see little point persevering with him given s he can't usurp campbell. My case is this, looking around the comp at developing rucks the ones that stand out to me are Lachie Smith (WBD) and Nick Madden (GWS) who are good case studies compared to Verrall. Smith 19yo 203cm - VFL avgs: 14.5 touches, 2.2 marks, 4.4 tackles, 34.2 hitouts Madden 21yo 204cm - VFL avgs: 19.4 touches 3.8 marks, 3.7 tackles, 31.4 hitouts Verrall - 21yo 199cm - VFL avgs: 12.9 touches, 1.4 marks, 2.5 tackles, 16.6 hitouts we need to cut our losses and go again here, I'm not sure this years rucks are highly ranked but verrall is undersized and not impacting either in contest or around the ground which is concerning i think it is really obvious after even 12 months if you have found a ruckman who has an afl level ceiling or not and maybe we hedged our bets that he could be a FF but he isn't hitting the scoreboard either.

he just isn't a midfielder at the next level but seems unwilling to try something different to make the jump, its either that high HF sparrow/sharp role that we're crying out for (hello pre agent zac bailey please) or lockdown defender (seems zippy enough and is definitely tough enough think liam stocker and how his career has changed)

Paul Amy tweeted about him today as well, probably a train on or rookie option at the moment but looks to be one of those late bloomer types, what type of player is he? you say tall forward but then he's having 40?