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Because it's about getting a specific amount of work in to him, each week. The process is THAT refined. It's not about the context of meaningful or meaningless matches. It's not just about 80% time as well, within the time spent out there, there will be metrics around top speed, acceleration that he needs to hit (and NOT go over). In a 16 side game vs a bloody explosively quick Tigers outfit - I'd would have erred on the cautious side as well. Coupled with that (if we take it to be true) is that he was asked to work on some things defensively, he ticked that box and he is straight back in. Remember, it's not just Goodwin who makes the call, one of the best in the business (Burgess) will call the shots from a load management perspective.

The only reason he would be dropped would be from the data around the need to manage him. There are some seriously ridiculous comments about decisions that are made on players, this would be up there.

I was impressed with Salem, aside from his 'freakish goal' from a smother - he delivered really nicely into the F50 - I have always wondered why we have persisted with him at half back. I for one would like to see him moved to the opposite wing of Langdon, however I can see with the use of Tomlinson on the wing, it's also about having an tall outlet, perhaps TMAC can act in this role from CHF whilst Weid positions himself at true FF. Anyway, I was thrilled with for Salem last night.

Or loose it for Simon...hmmmmmm

Interesting one Wellsy, I thnk he is always about 1-2m too forward to mark it... unless it's zinging in at chin height. But... I kicked a ball for the first time in a couple of years with my 4.5 yo and some mates this morning, and found I was always dropping the kick about 2m short... I have done that fairly consistently since I played juniors... maybe it's a spatial thing and cannot actually be coached out of him. What I mean is - he knows intellectually what to do, but neurologically, it just 'feels' better the way he is doing it at the time... anyway...some drunkn thoughts.

I'm here all week - try the veal.

OMAC = Talisman

Because every other team supporter would say the exact same thing about their team when that occurs...

that's what all teams say when we score...

Momentum? Well that's an etheeral construct. Momentum in sport is about a set of behaviours...but [censored] it..let me bore you in game. If a team doesnt have momentum from a commentators/specatators perspective perspective. its because they're doing the wrong thing... systems, personal behaviours, yadda yadda yadda. Momentum is a [censored] construct. .its about choice.. he [censored] up on a few... he'll be right, as the evidence is this year, he is more consistent. Best predictor of future behaviour, is past behaviour.

Mate, i would have waited for that ball to bobble up also...

Mmmm, I was up at Metricon last year, with a couple of mates from here in Vicco, geez what a slog that match was. No turning point last year. But, the team does have ability to pull victories out of defeat. Lovely goal by Marty Hore, set up by some hardness from Hunt. It genuinely feels it wont take much to fix, the conundrum is that it has felt like that for 18 months, so why hasn't it happened early. The amount of I50's means we're not actually getting smashed around the park... which is some light relief.

I love the idea of Brad Green, no idea how is as a communicator or a coach, I'm just going by how he played. Mind you, judging by his posts on twitter, both the AFL and he are done with each other. .... ya need to tow the party line, if you know what I mean?

There is zero irony in that @At the break of Gawn...

Whom @praha?

Loving the sunshine lollypops and rainbows @PaulRB!

I really like your analysis @Pennant St Dee . My question about Goodwin and co, is what does he genuinely see as our strengths, and what system is he trying to play, and how does he see these strengths complimenting the style of play. Coaches are not THAT arrogant to pursue a plan when it's obvious that it doesn't work over a 20 something game period. (besides there are a range of other staff that have input). Are they all drinking the Goodwin kool-aid? Is Goodwin an adversarial kind of leader? Do they all legitimately believe the game style will work with continuity of time together? The stats that were pulled up last night, would have been available into last season for them...so aside from the optics of what we/they see on tv and at the ground, that data would have been front and centre for a long time. So what is it that they all see, that perhaps we can't? And beyond commentary around his stubbornness, why is it persisted with?

How lovely it was to come on to the site after a pretty deflating loss, and find this thread. Lovely in the fact that there is no anger, just acceptance of the inevitable of the cycle of this club. I cannot be bothered to dissect individual players, critique Goodwin and the FD, or even analyse the game plan. It genuinely genuinely genuinely feels like we've gone back 8 years. Not that anyone knows me, or care really, but I'm opting out of the rest of the season, and the reason I am expressing this, is that I dare say I will not be the only one. Are we at our lowest ebb? Probably not, but jeez, as a country member who has only a few links to the Melbourne City itself... I seriously need to ask myself why would I choose to continue to fund an entity that gives very very little joy.

I will be pleased if Dangerfield fails to get the ultimate glory. Mind you, living in Moggs is pretty glorious on the flip side.

It'll still be Goodwins fault though ?

"spicy"

Sure... I can't be bothered arguing it. But walk me through your stats @Fat Tony God, i dont even know Jake, or care for him that much.. I just think he is been unfairly represented. He is Alex Rance's height, 10kg lighter and im pretty sure Alex Rance was not fetted on as a 23year old, and he is on par with Sir Alex I'd be pretty sure in 2013/14 he wasn't the full back...happy to be proven wrong though. I may have just turned in to this bloke...

@Watts the matter For $800+k on the surface I would agree - it feels like he needs to be on the elite players, or he needs to dominate offensively. But perhaps he dominates DEFENSIVELY, it just doesn't look like it, in the way that it used to with man on man. I'm thinking with Scarlett, or even Danny Hughes (yeah, [censored] joke) The stats from the chart before you dismissed are still accurate. The bloke has had knee reco's and he still performs at that level, he is ahead of Rance in some areas. Was Rance an offensive weapon, nope, he drifted (or more precisely accelerated from contest to contest)...we forget that Lever is 6 years younger. 6 [censored] years... that's 100 odd games. I don't know your age, but we used to be in awe of Schwarz of what he could do on the field pre knees and even post knees sometimes and gave due regard to the fact that he had done his knees... it's just the Lever isn't in the sexy part of the ground to be celebrated. He is solid, and he will [censored] up, just like Schwarz dropped marks, Lever will mistime things. Now for $800k, what do I want? I would have paid $800k for Rance and Lever is 6 years younger and on track for that. ps... he points better than anyone I know, aside from Steven May.

Just so I am clear, you asked me a question... I answered it (in the best way that I could) and then you come back with a different statement/argument. You've asked about 'restricting having a big impact on games'. I'd say he and his colleagues have done that pretty well. BUT, now you're stating, it's about his offence. I dont know mate about the backline providing all that much offence.. Maybe that's Hibbered's, Rivers's Jett's, Salem's job, rather than May, OMac, Lever, Smith's job... but Im just guessing. Ps... good job on the bloke for negotiating his pay, so that he and his family are protected, when his knees blow out in Rn 12 and his career is over. His market worth, is what the market is prepared to pay.

Ok @Watts the matter for clarities sake and the fact that we play a zone defence, let's look at the forward line (as named) for all 3 clubs that we have played, as Lever plays in the back line So for Geelong G B Disposals Hawkins 1 3 13 Ratugolea 1 1 5 Dalhaus 14 Other goals all came from midfielders (aside from Parfitt) Any big impacts on the game? Wouldn't have thought so from my optics This is part of a team/zone defence right? You know how that works right? For Carlton it was G B Disposals Betts 1 2 8 McKay 1 10 Cunningham 1 11 *McGovern 1 10 half forward line *Caboult 1 6 half forward line Any big impacts on the game? Wouldn't have thought so from my optics For WCE it was G B Disposals Cripps 12 Kennedy 4 Ryan 3 3 14 *Darling 1 8 half forward line *Redden 9 half forward line Ah Chee 2 1 12 half forward line Now, I'd argue that's pretty good going, aside from Ryan in the WCE game, whom I am sure due to size, speed wouldn't have been a direct match up. His role never has been to dominate individual players but to play as part of a system. The system, as part of the back line is doing fine.