OK ill start...So here goes

Geelong

North Melbourne

Port Adelaide

Melbourne

Fremantle

Brisbane

Adelaide

Carlton

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Hawthorn

Sydney

St Kilda

West Coast

Essendon

Footscray

Collingwood

Richmond

I rekon thats even worth a couple of bucks....

Geelong

St Kilda

Hawthorn

West Coast

Port Adelaide

Brisbane

Fremantle

Melbourne

Colingwood

Bulldogs

North Melbourne

Sydney

Adelaide

Carlton

Essendon

Richmond

I love you blokes' optimism, but I can't see us making the 8.

Geelong 16 6

West Coast 15 7

St Kilda 15 7

Hawthorn 15 7

Port Adel 14 8

Adelaide 13 9

Fremantle 12 10

Sydney 12 10

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Collingwood 11 11

North Melb 11 11

Brisbane 10 12

Essendon 10 12

W Bulldogs 8 14

Melbourne 7 15

Richmond 7 15

Carlton 5 17

Tough to say wins and losses because each column must add up to 176, minus draws of course. BBP you're 5 wins over

Geelong - Boring.

Adelaide - I rate them. I reckon all they need is a season or two in the doldrums then they come crashing back to premiership contenders.

Port Adelaide - Good enough. May be being kind here.

West Coast - Judd and Cousins weren't there last season and they still made top 4. They'll not win the flag but they're still a great club.

Collingwood - McChins factor.

Brisbane - I rate them. Have a LOT of players that are hard to stop, and Johnstone is a great trade for them.

Hawthorn - They're the good stuff, but they're not there yet.

Fremantle - Will keep up the best MFC traditions of one year on one year off. They have the list. Harvey will need one full season to become a premiership threatening coach.

St. Kilda - Hard to fit them in. They have a good list still, just some holes...

Carlton - Wanted to make them 9th.

Essendon - Even with Knights...

Sydney - Crash...

Western Bulldogs - Never rated them.

North Melbourne - Were NEVER the real deal. Played 8 positions above themselves last year.

Richmond - Will battle it out with:

Melbourne - Hate me all you want. I like our list, but it's all young guys and old guys... We are 14th at best IMO...

Geelong - Boring.

Boring??? If the Cats are boring I must be watching the wrong game, they went out and pumped everyone last year with hard direct footy.

I would love the Dees to be boring like that!!

Unfortunately I can not see Melbourne finishing any higher than bottom three. It doest seem that our middle tier players have stepped up and we will be in a rebuilding stage for the foreseeable future.

2008 will be a tough year.....

Boring??? If the Cats are boring I must be watching the wrong game, they went out and pumped everyone last year with hard direct footy.

I would love the Dees to be boring like that!!

i think it was meant boring as in boring prediction, as in that's what everyone will say

Geelong - Boring choice

Fremantle - Geelong 2007

West Coast - Kerr, Cox, Glass have big shoulders.

Brisbane - Great midfield and Brown.

Adelaide - Really rate their maturing youngster. Reilly, Van Berlo, Thompson, Douglas, Knight, Doughty, Tippett etc.

St Kilda - Drop G train and make Kozie their main man. They need luck with injury.

Hawthorn - Tanking coming together.

Melbourne - We could go higher but everything must go right. List is thin but if we can reach the top (abeit for one round) in 2004, it gives me hope.

Neitz, Robbo, Mclean, Jones and Rivers needs to be on the field.

Collingwood - Youngsters to have second year blues.

Port - Youngsters to have second year blues.

Sydney - The Afl are after the Swans.

North - Great effort last year but may fall back.

Bullies - Welsh and Hudson are over rated. Griffen will be a massive boost this year.

Essendon - Will fall in a hole mid season.

Carlton - Tank again you #$^&*^(&(

Richmond - Richmond

1. Geelong

2. Port

3. Fremantle

4. West Coast

5. St Kilda

6. Brisbane

7. Hawthorn

8. Melbourne

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9. Collingwood

10. Sydney

11. North

12. Carlton

13. Adelaide

14. Bullies

15. Essendon

16. Richmond

Geelong

Hawthorn

Fremantle

StKilda

Brisbane

Port Adelaide

Collingwood

Sydney

North Melbourne

West Coast

Adelaide

Melbourne

Essendon

Bulldogs

Carlton

Richmond

If you look at our list seriously we have mostly 2 types of players...

1) players who are up-n-coming, however there best footy is still 2 years away...i speak of Pettard, Frawley, Morton, Grimes, Mclean, Sylvia, Jones, Bate, Buckley, Weetra, Newton etc...

2) players who are extremely experienced, however are atleast 2 seasons past there best...i speak of Yze, White, Neitz, McDonald, Holland, Robertson etc...

in fact, the only players who are 'supposedly' in the prime are bruce, green, Miller and Carrol...who have all proven huge dissapointments and have not lived up to their potential.

it is for this reason i can't see us getting out of the bottom 4 this year. our hope is that our players who are 2 seasons away from their best will live up to expectations...

This is as hopeful as I can be...

Geelong

West Coast

StKilda

Fremantle

Port Adelaide

Hawthorn

Brisbane

Collingwood

Adelaide

Sydney

Carlton

Melbourne

Essendon

North Melbourne

Richmond

Bulldogs

Rodney Eade to be sacked by round 16.

Why do so many rate freo...I dont.. they will come right back to the pack big time in 08

Teams I will concede are better than us,well.... ought to finish higher:

Geelong, Westies, Sainters, Adelaide, Swannies and i'll rate Hawthorn. Port..maybe...could slide though. Brisbane may be the dark horse. The Wobblies I expect to wobble there way down the ladder.

None of the rest I think are any better than us.

I predict Dees 7th or 8.

Here goes:

Port Adelaide

Geelong

St Kilda

Hawthorn

Fremantle

Collingwood

West Coast

Adelaide

Brisbane

Kangaroos

Carlton

Sydney

Western Bulldogs

Melbourne

Essendon

Richmond

Port Adelaide's youngsters will improve greatly - they have a gun list.

Gee I hope I'm wrong, but there are just so many sides which seem to be improving more rapidly than us.

Given a decent run with injuries, we are still a chance to make the eight.

Melbourne is a team that rides hard on confidence.

When we're going, we flying. When we're struggling, we're shizen.

The first 5 rounds include a Hawthorn, Bulldogs, Geelong, Kangaroos and Carlton.

I would head into 4 out of the 5 contests confident.

When you're confident and up and about, it's amazing how you can win the tight ones throughout the year.

Geelong

Hawthorn

Brisbane

St Kilda

Adelaide

Port Adelaide

Kangaroos

West Coast

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Collingwood

Fremantle

Carlton

Essendon

Sydney

Western Bulldogs

Melbourne

Richmond

Brisbane

Geelong

Port Adelaide

Fremantle

St.Kilda

West Coast

Sydney

Hawthorn

Adelaide

Collingwood

Western Bulldogs

Kangaroos

Richmond

Essendon

Carlton

Melbourne

Dees finish last with 3 wins. Gather two picks in the top 3. Get that Natanui fella and another gun

Win the flag in 2009.

Brisbane

Geelong

Port Adelaide

Fremantle

St.Kilda

West Coast

Sydney

Hawthorn

Adelaide

Collingwood

Western Bulldogs

Kangaroos

Richmond

Essendon

Carlton

Melbourne

Dees finish last with 3 wins. Gather two picks in the top 3. Get that Natanui fella and another gun

Win the flag in 2009.

Is that really what you think?

Do you really bother reading his posts?

Is that really what you think?

Yes

Bailey has to clean up 10 years of terrible player management. We have some great young kids, but nobody over the age of 26 that is anything close to a superstar (Neitz is a legened and I love him, but hes almost done)

Geelong - Boring.

Adelaide - I rate them. I reckon all they need is a season or two in the doldrums then they come crashing back to premiership contenders.

Port Adelaide - Good enough. May be being kind here.

West Coast - Judd and Cousins weren't there last season and they still made top 4. They'll not win the flag but they're still a great club.

Collingwood - McChins factor.

Brisbane - I rate them. Have a LOT of players that are hard to stop, and Johnstone is a great trade for them.

Hawthorn - They're the good stuff, but they're not there yet.

Fremantle - Will keep up the best MFC traditions of one year on one year off. They have the list. Harvey will need one full season to become a premiership threatening coach.

St. Kilda - Hard to fit them in. They have a good list still, just some holes...

Carlton - Wanted to make them 9th.

Essendon - Even with Knights...

Sydney - Crash...

Western Bulldogs - Never rated them.

North Melbourne - Were NEVER the real deal. Played 8 positions above themselves last year.

Richmond - Will battle it out with:

Melbourne - Hate me all you want. I like our list, but it's all young guys and old guys... We are 14th at best IMO...

wot he said....

Unfortunately I can not see Melbourne finishing any higher than bottom three. It doest seem that our middle tier players have stepped up and we will be in a rebuilding stage for the foreseeable future.

2008 will be a tough year.....

yep bottom 3 for me, can't go any better than that, young list with few blokes who are past their prime

Yze_magic...

even if we win less than 5 games this year (which we realistically might), our priority pick will only be AFTER the first round (i.e. picks 1, 17, 18)...

you only get a priority pick before the first round (i.e. 1,2,17) if you have less than 5 wins 2 years in a row...

that carlton game in round 22 which we won could have more consequences than first imagined

Port Adelaide

Geelong

West Coast

Adelaide

Sydney

Hawthorn

Fremantle

Brisbane

Western Bulldogs

St. Kilda

Kangaroos

Collingwood

Essendon

Carlton

Melbourne

Richmond

Only 2 Victorian teams to make the eight. The Saints have the most talent of the sides out of the eight, but have an injury prone list. The Pies to take the biggest fall. Adelaide the big improvers.

As for Melbourne, I agree with Jacey. If our list was currently injury free, 4 wins in the first 5 games was a possibility. However it looks to me that a vast chunk of our senior players will enter the season underdone or not available.