Prospective Coaches

[warren dean 193]

I wonder how the records of the prospective coaches stack up? When we appointed ND, he had been an assistant to Sheedy (played a large role in the 1993 premiership by cracking Carlton's centre square strategy) and Neesham (helping to establish the Dockers). He had been involved in premierships. I am looking at the current lot and the most commonly mentioned are Bond, Ratten, McKenna, as well as a couple of more experienced and well known identities in Sheedy and Connolly. The records of the three assistants really isn't that flash. McKenna is in his fourth year at Collingwood and the Pies have not been very successful in that time ( finishes of 13, 15 and 7 in completed seasons). He was also an assistant at WCE in the Judge era ( hopeless) and coached Claremont in the WAFL without much success.

Ratten seemed to develop a reputation assisting at Melbourne in 2004, but I really wonder how successful he was - we lost five consecutive games at the end of that season and our midfield was pretty soft - hence the decision to go after Moloney. He coached in the EDFL (Norwood made the GF last year) and then back to Carlton to this year. Once again, not a very successful involvement.

Bond first coached in 2001 at Werribee and they made the finals in 2002. From then on was Peter Rhode's match day assistant and has since worked under Eade. In that time only one finals appearance (last year). Bond has little playing experience in terms of finals, while Ratten and McKenna played in 3 flags between them in the early 90's.

Two of the three were overlooked by the Saints last year. I keep coming back to the view that Sheeds is our man. Involvement in a flag far more recently than any of these current assistants; a huge profile; and aura that can't be disputed and a record to rival the greats. He still has the fire in the belly. I've heard some people say he would be a risk. I believe he would be a much safer bet than taking the punt on an untried rookie who really doesn't have a lot of substance in their CV.

[Demons 32 235]

I wonder how the records of the prospective coaches stack up? When we appointed ND, he had been an assistant to Sheedy (played a large role in the 1993 premiership by cracking Carlton's centre square strategy) and Neesham (helping to establish the Dockers). He had been involved in premierships. I am looking at the current lot and the most commonly mentioned are Bond, Ratten, McKenna, as well as a couple of more experienced and well known identities in Sheedy and Connolly. The records of the three assistants really isn't that flash. McKenna is in his fourth year at Collingwood and the Pies have not been very successful in that time ( finishes of 13, 15 and 7 in completed seasons). He was also an assistant at WCE in the Judge era ( hopeless) and coached Claremont in the WAFL without much success.

Ratten seemed to develop a reputation assisting at Melbourne in 2004, but I really wonder how successful he was - we lost five consecutive games at the end of that season and our midfield was pretty soft - hence the decision to go after Moloney. He coached in the EDFL (Norwood made the GF last year) and then back to Carlton to this year. Once again, not a very successful involvement.

Bond first coached in 2001 at Werribee and they made the finals in 2002. From then on was Peter Rhode's match day assistant and has since worked under Eade. In that time only one finals appearance (last year). Bond has little playing experience in terms of finals, while Ratten and McKenna played in 3 flags between them in the early 90's.

Two of the three were overlooked by the Saints last year. I keep coming back to the view that Sheeds is our man. Involvement in a flag far more recently than any of these current assistants; a huge profile; and aura that can't be disputed and a record to rival the greats. He still has the fire in the belly. I've heard some people say he would be a risk. I believe he would be a much safer bet than taking the punt on an untried rookie who really doesn't have a lot of substance in their CV.

Nice background check.

I think Bond would still be a very good coach. I don;t particulary want him though.

I Believe Ratten is the sort of bloke who can lift a team with his attitude and a few rousing words.

I am a bit turned off buy McKenna, his attitude to missing out on Saints job and lacklustre attitude to our particular job. He would take anything. Makes me think twice. Then again. Malthouse is a terrific teacher. And McKenna was a terrific footy brain.

Sheedy is the choice.

May not be the best choice, but is the choice. He is the choice because the selection comitee will be in total shock right now that he could coach us. There is very little chance he will not be offered the job. My personal choice to coach us was Todd Viney. I think it's apparent he will not coach us next season unfortunately.

I do not believe McKenna or Ratten will get the job. It's a 3 way race right now. Bond, Sheedy, or Sumich.

[Guest bWell]

Nice background check.

I think Bond would still be a very good coach. I don;t particulary want him though.

I Believe Ratten is the sort of bloke who can lift a team with his attitude and a few rousing words.

I am a bit turned off buy McKenna, his attitude to missing out on Saints job and lacklustre attitude to our particular job. He would take anything. Makes me think twice. Then again. Malthouse is a terrific teacher. And McKenna was a terrific footy brain.

Sheedy is the choice.

May not be the best choice, but is the choice. He is the choice because the selection comitee will be in total shock right now that he could coach us. There is very little chance he will not be offered the job. My personal choice to coach us was Todd Viney. I think it's apparent he will not coach us next season unfortunately.

I do not believe McKenna or Ratten will get the job. It's a 3 way race right now. Bond, Sheedy, or Sumich.

Great Comments both of you. Yeah I liked the look of Todd Viney myself (Melbourne Blood Factor) but yes, doesn't look like he'll be even close.

I don't think Bond would be a good option, along with McKenna.

Sumich & Sheedy would be good. I personally would select Sheedy for a 3 year term & have Sumich under him for that period. Then obviously Sumich would take over the reigns after that.

[Demons 32 235]

Great Comments both of you. Yeah I liked the look of Todd Viney myself (Melbourne Blood Factor) but yes, doesn't look like he'll be even close.

I don't think Bond would be a good option, along with McKenna.

Sumich & Sheedy would be good. I personally would select Sheedy for a 3 year term & have Sumich under him for that period. Then obviously Sumich would take over the reigns after that.

Im hoping Sheedy with Viney as understudy.

[Demon Disciple 12,274]

That ain't gonna happen. I believe Viney has already put pen on paper to stay at the Hawks for the next few seasons.

[Demons 32 235]

That ain't gonna happen. I believe Viney has already put pen on paper to stay at the Hawks for the next few seasons.

McKenna put pen to paper with colling wood to. He has an extension. They let them go when oppo arrives.

Plus Viney interviewed a week ago so it could.

[Guest bWell]

McKenna put pen to paper with colling wood to. He has an extension. They let them go when oppo arrives.

Plus Viney interviewed a week ago so it could.

My personal pick would be Alan Jakovich but that's me dreaming... Haha...

[IWAP 170]

McKenna put pen to paper with colling wood to. He has an extension. They let them go when oppo arrives.

Plus Viney interviewed a week ago so it could.

I think Demon Disciple meant that we've got no chance of getting Viney as an assitant coach in any shape while he is contracted to HFC. Different story if we appoint him senior coach

[Whispering_Jack 30,664]

My personal pick would be Alan Jakovich but that's me dreaming... Haha...

It's interesting how the Age has framed the market for the Melbourne job -

$2.50 - any other person

$4.00 - Guy McKenna

$4.50 - Chris Bond

$6.00 - Chris Connolly

$6.00 - Damien Hardwick

Sheedy seems to have been included in the any other person category. Why?

[Kit Walker 225]

It's interesting how the Age has framed the market for the Melbourne job -

$2.50 - any other person

$4.00 - Guy McKenna

$4.50 - Chris Bond

$6.00 - Chris Connolly

$6.00 - Damien Hardwick

Sheedy seems to have been included in the any other person category. Why?

On Sportingbet, there is no mention of Sheedy, Hardwick or Ratten other than "any other person". Can't understand why when Harvey has odds quoted.

I don't think there is any great conspiracy in it though other than maybe not wanting to quote decent odds.

[beelzebub 23,383]

apparently having an affinity for martians puts you out of normal human categories !! :D

[Kit Walker 225]

apparently having an affinity for martians puts you out of normal human categories !! :D

Maybe that means they won't pay out if you back "any other person" and Sheedy gets the job...

[IWAP 170]

It's interesting how the Age has framed the market for the Melbourne job -

$2.50 - any other person

$4.00 - Guy McKenna

$4.50 - Chris Bond

$6.00 - Chris Connolly

$6.00 - Damien Hardwick

Sheedy seems to have been included in the any other person category. Why?

Its because they keep the same options from when the market was opened (before Sheedy got sacked). All the names listed were the most likely at the time. Any other person includes Sheedy, which is why its the shortest odds