Grow some ball dees ffs

It’s either

Humphrey or

Picks 7and 8 and that’s it no picks going back not our problem if they don’t have the points

Or he stays

If anything other than this the club can G&GF won’t renew my membership

Just now, Dee Boys said:

I was hopeful of Humphrey too. But probably time to accept it’s likely not going to happen.

But people saying 7&8 aren’t enough, and that we should keep Trac if that’s the offer, are wide of the mark too.

No player in AFL history, as far as I can remember, has gone for two top 10 picks in a trade. Yes it’s a compromised and weak draft, but it’s still an excellent haul for a bloke who’s about to turn 30.

No point jumping off the West Gate if that’s what it ends up being. Just have to back JT in to do his thing.

The issue is the sum of all parts of the off season.

I get what you're saying, 2 top 10 picks for Trac and his salary off the books in isolation is okay.

Losing Trac, McVee, Clarry plus 700k and a bunch of later picks, for 7, 8 and 36 in a compromised draft after Tim Lamb and Paul Guerra talked so tough about "Best interests of the MFC and have to turn our heads" is the issue

The messaging is shocking, and we will end up with what amounts to a fire sale

Just now, The Taciturn Demon said:

If this is widely known, isn't the result a fait accompli?

Even if we attempted to bluff - and we seem more like boring ultra-pragmatists when it comes to trading more than we do card players - they'd immediately call it. Wouldn't they?

Probably

The only lever we can pull is saying we have a new coach and CEO and we are backing them in to fix the relationship

Unfortunately Trac has, once again, totally burnt us with his public and private statements

As much as I don’t want us to accept picks only for him, I want that man and his circus back in town even less

This Trac fueled drama will not end until he gets what he wants, which is to leave our club

2 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

The issue is the sum of all parts of the off season.

I get what you're saying, 2 top 10 picks for Trac and his salary off the books in isolation is okay.

Losing Trac, McVee, Clarry plus 700k and a bunch of later picks, for 7, 8 and 36 in a compromised draft after Tim Lamb and Paul Guerra talked so tough about "Best interests of the MFC and have to turn our heads" is the issue

The messaging is shocking, and we will end up with what amounts to a fire sale

Yep that’s all fair mate.

1 minute ago, Ted Lasso said:

The issue is the sum of all parts of the off season.

I get what you're saying, 2 top 10 picks for Trac and his salary off the books in isolation is okay.

Losing Trac, McVee, Clarry plus 700k and a bunch of later picks, for 7, 8 and 36 in a compromised draft after Tim Lamb and Paul Guerra talked so tough about "Best interests of the MFC and have to turn our heads" is the issue

The messaging is shocking, and we will end up with what amounts to a fire sale

This is correct.

I’m confident part of the decision to sack Goodwin was PR-related - helping convince members to stay members and show up to games.

If our trade period results in the above (Trac, Clarry, McVee out, and 7, 8 and 36 in), I suspect a large segment of our membership/supporter base will be upset. It will go against Guerra and Lamb’s tough words, too.

Personally, I don’t think 7 and 8 for Trac and McVee is “head turning”, for example.

No idea what is playing out behind the scenes, and also haven't seen enough of Humphrey to have much idea of how good he is. Personally reckon our best bet might be to go to the draft again and have another go at unearthing some guys who might drive us forward and be the ones to finally drive our player culture in the right direction.

Having said that, if the powers that be at MFC genuinely think Humphrey can be that kind of difference maker, i'd be negotiating through Petracca. I'd sit him down and let him know he needs to convince GCS that he's going to provide them so much value that he is worth parting with Humphrey for. And if he can't convince them then they don't really value him anyway. Let him know as a contracted player who wants to break the contract, the onus is on him here (just like the onus is on us in the Oliver situation). He can stay at MFC otherwise (and yes I know if he stays he will give us nothing and personally I've wanted to move him on for a few years). We need to show some power here.

Why do so many people think the decisions are made by Lamb alone? Is it just a desire to have a single sacrifical lamb?

3 minutes ago, sue said:

Why do so many people think the decisions are made by Lamb alone? Is it just a desire to have a single sacrifical lamb?

Indeed

A trade for someone the caliber of Trac would need sign off from the CEO and the board

If this deal goes thru for picks, it’s because people far higher than Lamb have said OK to it

The naivety that Lamb just does whatever he wants is wild

1 minute ago, sue said:

Why do so many people think the decisions are made by Lamb alone? Is it just a desire to have a single sacrifical lamb?

The board, CEO or coach don't negotiate trades. The CEO may sign off on letting Trac and Oliver leave, but it's the List Manager's job to negotiate the best deal.

Why do people keep defending Lamb?

4 minutes ago, sue said:

Why do so many people think the decisions are made by Lamb alone? Is it just a desire to have a single sacrifical lamb?

IMO it’s a club decision and unfortunately for Lamb he is our mouthpiece so will cop it when we only get pics.

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by DemonOX

I'd like to float a wild trade proposal so please don't be too mean to me.

4 team trade involving the MFC, Hawks, Bombers and Suns

Bombers get: Pick 8, 9 and the Hawks future 1.

Bombers give: Zach Merrett

Hawthorn get: Zach Merrett

Hawthorn give: Pick 9, their future 1 and Cam McKenzie or Mitch Lewis

Melbourne get: Pick 7 and Cam McKenzie or Mitch Lewis

Melbourne give: Christian Petracca and pick 24

Gold Coast get: Christian Petracca and pick 24

Gold Coast give: Pick 7 and 8

Hawks pay overs, but that's what it's going to take to get this deal for Merrett done, Melbourne get a good young player and a top 10 pick, Suns get their guy and Hawks get another star to help them win a flag.

I'll go and hide now.

1 minute ago, mo64 said:

The board, CEO or coach don't negotiate trades. The CEO may sign off on letting Trac and Oliver leave, but it's the List Manager's job to negotiate the best deal.

Why do people keep defending Lamb?

What proof do people attacking Lamb have that he isn’t negotiating the best deal?

We could have done a trade for Trac and Clarry last week

Lamb is 100% digging in his heels re: BH and Trac

But BH is contracted so he can only do so much

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by Very Jaded

My hope is that it is indeed a decision where numerous people are consulted widely and that one of the most important voices is Jason Taylor's. If he genuinely believes we can get gems with those two picks and Bailey Humphrey is completely out of the picture, maybe they're enough.

I agree that they're not "head turning", but as I mentioned before, we've been dull pragmatists for a very long time. I'd be surprised if King and Guerra suddenly upturn that.

17 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

The issue is the sum of all parts of the off season.

I get what you're saying, 2 top 10 picks for Trac and his salary off the books in isolation is okay.

Losing Trac, McVee, Clarry plus 700k and a bunch of later picks, for 7, 8 and 36 in a compromised draft after Tim Lamb and Paul Guerra talked so tough about "Best interests of the MFC and have to turn our heads" is the issue

The messaging is shocking, and we will end up with what amounts to a fire sale

This x100

7 and 8 is actually a decent deal for Trac, but it goes against our position of needing a deal that “turns our heads”

Once again our comms about our overarching strategy is terrible

If this is a fire sale/rebuild - say it, and stop leading supporters on that you’ll hold out for a great deal or Trac and Clarry will come back to the MFC

Yeah we're all blinded by our Demon loyalty, but if you wanted to come home now and the choices were us - or wait one more year (maybe jag a flag) then come home to an awesome club that's in a window, what would you chose?

Honestly?

6 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

I'd like to float a wild trade proposal so please don't be too mean to me.

4 team trade involving the MFC, Hawks, Bombers and Suns

Bombers get: Pick 8, 9 and the Hawks future 1.

Bombers give: Zach Merrett

Hawthorn get: Zach Merrett

Hawthorn give: Pick 9, their future 1 and Cam McKenzie or Mitch Lewis

Melbourne get: Pick 7 and Cam McKenzie or Mitch Lewis

Melbourne give: Christian Petracca and pick 24

Gold Coast get: Christian Petracca and pick 24

Gold Coast give: Pick 7 and 8

Hawks pay overs, but that's what it's going to take to get this deal for Merrett done, Melbourne get a good young player and a top 10 pick, Suns get their guy and Hawks get another star to help them win a flag.

I'll go and hide now.

Another McKenzie! I like that.

5 minutes ago, Very Jaded said:

What proof do people attacking Lamb have that he isn’t negotiating the best deal?

We could have done a trade for Trac and Clarry last week

Lamb is 100% digging in his heels re: BH and Trac

But BH is contracted so he can only do so much

The problem is that nobody believes that we’ll take Trac back next year if a deal falls through

If GC genuinely believed that, I think they’d be much more amenable to trading Humphrey even if he didn’t formally request a trade

That’s not necessarily all Lamb’s fault (as you’ve laid out in your previous posts about Trac and how he’s damaged the club), but it’s clearly a weakness in our negotiating position

3 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

This would be 1000% my play.

Tim Lamb on the early trade tomorrow morning saying we're walking away from the trade table as the only deal we'd be interested in isn't on offer.

This would be a disaster for the AFL and Suns. My only concern would be the Suns change tactics and bring in Curnow. They come out smelling like roses.

2 minutes ago, Nietaphart said:

This would be a disaster for the AFL and Suns. My only concern would be the Suns change tactics and bring in Curnow. They come out smelling like roses.

They don’t need Curnow as much as they need Trac

1 minute ago, Nietaphart said:

This would be a disaster for the AFL and Suns. My only concern would be the Suns change tactics and bring in Curnow. They come out smelling like roses.

AFL will get involved to make it work for the Suns.

Also, keep 24 and trade out 28 if required.

3 minutes ago, Very Jaded said:

What proof do people attacking Lamb have that he isn’t negotiating the best deal?

We could have done a trade for Trac and Clarry last week

Lamb is 100% digging in his heels re: BH and Trac

But BH is contracted so he can only do so much

His track record in the past. For the past 3 years we've given away 2nd and 3rd round picks for no reason. The Tholstrup deal was a Lamb special.

And you can bank on him giving GCS latter picks on the Trac deal.

29 minutes ago, Mattyrobbo24 said:

Maybe it not the dees he wants to come to 😩

My money is on Hawthorn being that club.

Hope no one is serving mushrooms at this bbq.

7 minutes ago, Mouseymoo said:

Yeah we're all blinded by our Demon loyalty, but if you wanted to come home now and the choices were us - or wait one more year (maybe jag a flag) then come home to an awesome club that's in a window, what would you chose?

Honestly?

$$$

10 minutes ago, demoncat said:

This x100

7 and 8 is actually a decent deal for Trac, but it goes against our position of needing a deal that “turns our heads”

Once again our comms about our overarching strategy is terrible

If this is a fire sale/rebuild - say it, and stop leading supporters on that you’ll hold out for a great deal or Trac and Clarry will come back to the MFC

But if we send 24 back, then 7 and 8 aren’t our haul for Trac, they’re our haul for Trac and McVee.