As an aside we need to lobby hard to get Gus' contract outside the salary cap.

We really got done over on that one.

If the Suns take Track, and all of his foibles and hurt feelings, all of his contract, I am all in for pick 7.

We are not selling the player he was, Norm Smith medalist etc,.

Do we know if Petracca will relocate to Noosa and take the chopper down to GC every day?

Trac was pic 2 in a strong draft and has a Norm Smith Medal.

Noah Anderson or Matt Rowell only thanks

or GGF GFC

Just now, bluey said:

If the Suns take Track, and all of his foibles and hurt feelings, all of his contract, I am all in for pick 7.

We are not selling the player he was, Norm Smith medalist etc,.

Why not our pick 23 and Trac, for their pick 7 and a player?

Just now, Diamond_Jim said:

As an aside we need to lobby hard to get Gus' contract outside the salary cap.

We really got done over on that one.

We stupidly gave a guy with a long history of concussions a 6 year deal. The AFL gave us three years of relief for it but there has to be some level of consequence for risking these long term deals.

It must be about this time that we come up with one of one of our special (read: ludicrous) good news stories to cheer everyone up, as per Viney's unnecessary contract extension last year.

Ten year contracts for Laurie & McAdam perhaps?

19 minutes ago, ijustwannaseeaflag said:

King has already said that he sees Petracca as a central part of 2026. So we play hard ball. Humphrey must be part of any trade. If GC don't want to part with him, the deal falls over and CP is in a Melbourne jumper next year. That's the starting point of the negotiation. It's up to GC and CP5 to make that happen. Over to you Tim

I don't see how King sees Petracca as a central part of 2026 if CP himself doesn't. Now, maybe the latter is news to him, but I can't see a world where CP walks back into the club and it being a good thing. That bridge is well and truly burnt. Agreed the Club MUST not take unders for him, but will they blink and take unders just to get rid of him now? God, what a dilemma.

1 hour ago, KozzyCan said:

Cornes just shifts the goalposts to wherever he needs them so that he can keep bagging people. All year he was saying we spend all our energy trying to placate guys like Oliver and Petracca. They get moved on and he's still having a crack.

Exactly. The most uninteresting commentator going round. Completely incoherent and unworthy of any serious attention.

2 minutes ago, poita said:

It must be about this time that we come up with one of one of our special (read: ludicrous) good news stories to cheer everyone up, as per Viney's unnecessary contract extension last year.

Ten year contracts for Laurie & McAdam perhaps?

I wouldn't mind the 10! year contracts for XL and Langford.

1 minute ago, KozzyCan said:

We stupidly gave a guy with a long history of concussions a 6 year deal. The AFL gave us three years of relief for it but there has to be some level of consequence for risking these long term deals.

There was ample precedent for the AFL allowing concussion settlements to reside outside the cap. We were ambushed with a change in policy... that's our complaint

5 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

there has to be some level of consequence for risking these long term deals.

paying a chunk of clarry's salary is a big consequence. hopefully we learn our lesson from it.

I certainly understand the money we paid Tracc and Oliver.

But were those contract lengths standard?

Or did we overdo it?

It's certainly come back to bite us.

We will push for pick 6 and 13. GC get pick 7 for Flanders plus they have another couple of players leaving which will get them picks for points.

We can give them back pick 23 or Spargs pick which is tipped to be after our 2nd round or end 2nd round. GC will push for picks 7 and 16 for Tracc and pick 23 plus Spargs pick.

Other loose change including futures may be thrown around.

We still have McVee's picks which may involve futures. Given he is only 22 plus 2 top 10 B & F finishes Freo's 1st or future 1st with a little loose change back sounds ok.

6 minutes ago, Adina88 said:

I don't see how King sees Petracca as a central part of 2026 if CP himself doesn't. Now, maybe the latter is news to him, but I can't see a world where CP walks back into the club and it being a good thing. That bridge is well and truly burnt. Agreed the Club MUST not take unders for him, but will they blink and take unders just to get rid of him now? God, what a dilemma.

4 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

There was ample precedent for the AFL allowing concussion settlements to reside outside the cap. We were ambushed with a change in policy... that's our complaint

There was no real policy beforehand and the other players who had retired from concussions had very modest deals. Brayshaw's was a gamechanger.

1 minute ago, Previously known as LITD. said:

I certainly understand the money we paid Tracc and Oliver.

But were those contract lengths standard?

Or did we overdo it?

It's certainly come back to bite us.

We were too focussed on keeping the band together. Long terms contracts are risky but because we’re not used to success we doled them out to keep everyone happy.

35 minutes ago, BDA said:

The issue with long term contracts is the unknowable. they are a leap of faith and this situation proves it. we have to eat a chunk of his wages now to move him on

We gave Gus a long term contract when he had known concussion issues

Our list management decisions have been poor.

Too many top players screwing the club for long contracts and hinting or threatening to leave if they don’t get their way. Brayshaw, Petracca, Oliver, Viney and Picket fit the bill. Risky way to find out a gun players true character or heightening the chance of bad luck to have an impact.

Edited October 3Oct 3 by John Crow Batty

We know Jason Taylor loved Humphrey. We know he'd fit well in our team. (He'd for well into most teams.) We've made it clear we won't give up Petracca unless we love the real. Clearly, GC doesn't want to lose him, but who cares?

We should go as hard as we can for him.

24 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Based on your own opinion or heard something in the grapevine?

Just based on a bit of logic. Had Trac chosen Adelaide, one would imagine landing Flanders and/or Humphrey would be a much trickier proposition.

It was reported today that Humphrey's management has told rival clubs of his availability recently.

I wouldn't be surprised if this forced our hand with Clayton. We need more draft capital and space in the cap for Humphrey.

The only way we get Humphrey to nominate us is if we offer him big dollars and a significant midfield role.

1 minute ago, wheaters31 said:

The only way we get Humphrey to nominate us is if we offer him big dollars and a significant midfield role.

and of course a ten year deal !!!

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

just nuts what has happened to this club since the 2021 premiership

it reminds me so much of the filth after 1990 - they took a decade to recover from it

hopefully we're not the same

I literally can’t believe the fall. Cats and Pies both had a down year after their flag but were back in the final 4 this year. Lions didn’t have a down year, just won back to back flags on the G.

Drafting has been excellent, but trading has been pox. We still had I think 16/23 premiership players on the list this year and were lucky to finish above the bottom 4. It’s been a massive failure by the coach (aided by the board letting him drive the bus off the cliff) and list management to not keep us in the hunt after 21. We were close in 23 but failed and now we’re blowing up the list for a rebuild.

Frankly I cbf anymore. Tuned out of anything related to the AFLM team after the Port game and am just drifting back now.

What do we get for Trac? Whatever we can, would like Humphreys but am not confident. Likely 2 picks.

Clarry? Not sure he’s gone yet but again likely just a pick if he does go.

We’re a bit stuck as this isn’t a great draft by all accounts but there’s this draft and next and Tassie is getting all the picks after that so we need to make the best of it while we can. Think we’re in for another long stint in the wilderness tbh and I’m not sure i have the desire to stick through it again.

Apologies for the miserable post but that’s where I’m at.

50 minutes ago, BDA said:

The issue with long term contracts is the unknowable. they are a leap of faith and this situation proves it. we have to eat a chunk of his wages now to move him on

We gave Gus a long term contract when he had known concussion issues

Our list management decisions have been poor.

Gus played 167 games with concussion issues. That is 9 seasons. It is not the clubs fault that he was taken out of the game by an action that is now deemed illegal.

23 minutes ago, BDA said:

paying a chunk of clarry's salary is a big consequence. hopefully we learn our lesson from it.

And getting a good return for Trac, is the opposite lesson here.

Do you want another McVee/Jackson scenario? Because I don't.

Long contracts are a risk, but losing quality players for peanuts is a greater risk.