10 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Unfortunately, it is true.

Max was keen to get Grundy before Grundy arrived. Max was never gonna “sacrifice his role.” Ever.

And TC… he was brought in to “give Max a chop out” not to be a standby should Max get injured, which is all he’s ever been.

It’s a difficult thing to discuss because god forbid anyone should say anything negative about Max… he’s untouchable.

Max gets what Max wants. Whether that’s right or wrong… it’s the truth.

The whole conversation(s) between Max and Goodwin about Grundy will be a full chapter in Max’s memoirs.

He didn’t want Grundy initially.

It didn’t work out. In large part because Gawn couldn’t play forward and felt like he was being wasted.

I love Max but I think you could make an argument that the trade for Grundy exposed a few chinks in his armour and the relationship between he and Goodwin.

4 minutes ago, JJJ said:

The whole conversation(s) between Max and Goodwin about Grundy will be a full chapter in Max’s memoirs.

He didn’t want Grundy initially.

It didn’t work out. In large part because Gawn couldn’t play forward and felt like he was being wasted.

I love Max but I think you could make an argument that the trade for Grundy exposed a few chinks in his armour and the relationship between he and Goodwin.

I know this. But when I’ve mentioned it before I’ve been howled down. Like I said, Max is untouchable.

No one person is bigger than the club, as the saying goes. But Max is likely the closest you’ll get to the exception to the rule.

56 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Unfortunately, it is true.

Max may’ve been keen to get Grundy before Grundy arrived. Max was never gonna “sacrifice his role.” Ever.

And TC… he was brought in to “give Max a chop out” not to be a standby should Max get injured, which is all he’s ever been.

It’s a difficult thing to discuss because god forbid anyone should say anything negative about Max… he’s untouchable.

Max gets what Max wants. Whether that’s right or wrong… it’s the truth.

Well, when you are the best ruck in the AFL and the only one in our club, that is not surprising.

1 hour ago, Ghostwriter said:

Unfortunately, it is true.

Max may’ve been keen to get Grundy before Grundy arrived. Max was never gonna “sacrifice his role.” Ever.

And TC… he was brought in to “give Max a chop out” not to be a standby should Max get injured, which is all he’s ever been.

It’s a difficult thing to discuss because god forbid anyone should say anything negative about Max… he’s untouchable.

Max gets what Max wants. Whether that’s right or wrong… it’s the truth.

Well if that is the case GW, then im not surprised at the state of the playing group.

He will be the best ruckman in the competition of all time by the time he is done. As much as you would expect humility in that, i think any average Joe/Jane would struggle without letting it get to their heads in some way. Not an excuse - just an observation.

Edited August 19Aug 19 by GS_1905

I honestly feel like as much as Max is a superstar and a great asset to the club, we’re going to eventually find ourselves in a world of pain because we simply don’t have a solid back up for him if he is to get injured or even when he decides to retire. And that may not be too far in the future. We’ve done a bit of a disservice to both Max and the rest of the team (not to mention supporters, etc).

The other part is (and I want to do a bit of research), if I were a player with a contract in front of me, I may also hold off signing because honestly, as much as it seems like a CEO, President, or Board instability may not impact players or their performance, I’d imagine it does. I get that lots of people believe Goodwin needed to go—but, he’s a piece in a larger system. If he felt like it was unstable or if he didn’t get what he needed from the administration, that would flow on to players—maybe not verbally, but behaviours etc. In terms of what I want to research, it’s more about what that impact lack of governance and stability could potentially have on player performance. I have no idea if I’ll find anything. I’m just a geek with things like that. I spent a long time last year checking stats to see how frequently over the last 5 years the team that scored first won the game—there was nothing to it, but I had a theory 😂

In terms of the players having too much input into things, that may also go back to what I said above. If as a coach you don’t have a solid system backing you, habits can develop that aren’t beneficial.

47 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

I know this. But when I’ve mentioned it before I’ve been howled down. Like I said, Max is untouchable.

No one person is bigger than the club, as the saying goes. But Max is likely the closest you’ll get to the exception to the rule.

Caro soon to report friction between a prominent cheer squad member and the club captain.

Stay tuned for more…

Back to the actual topic ...

My take on Judd is that he will stay, pending our new coach announcement.

Any signing right now would give the media reason to claim Judd (and by extension other players) were unhappy with Goodwin or his game plan.

Signing after our new coach announcement would show his support for the new coach and future of the club.

Assuming he does sign!!

1 hour ago, JJJ said:

The whole conversation(s) between Max and Goodwin about Grundy will be a full chapter in Max’s memoirs.

He didn’t want Grundy initially.

It didn’t work out. In large part because Gawn couldn’t play forward and felt like he was being wasted.

I love Max but I think you could make an argument that the trade for Grundy exposed a few chinks in his armour and the relationship between he and Goodwin.

Max would have been a great ruck-forward and that would have him play till he's 40 but unfortunately he's playing for all Australian honours

Thread derailed by a bunch of [censored] complaining that Gawns a good player!

9 minutes ago, DemonicFinalFantasy said:

Back to the actual topic ...

My take on Judd is that he will stay, pending our new coach announcement.

Any signing right now would give the media reason to claim Judd (and by extension other players) were unhappy with Goodwin or his game plan.

Signing after our new coach announcement would show his support for the new coach and future of the club.

Assuming he does sign!!

I hope he does sign but to be honest I won't judge him for wanting out

Grundy was a square peg that we tried fitting into a Jackson gaping round hole.

I dont know why people are so worried about not signing early, he is contracted to the end of the year and he will sign when he does or not.

I think he will re sign, but if he doesnt. Thats his call.

4 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

Think Howe played like 5 games up forward then Collingwood got some injuries and Buckley was like "oh well". He's never seen the forwardline since lol.

Roos always knew he wasn't a forward.

Not to derail the thread..but if Howe had the same output for us in 2025 as the years he was a forward for MFC ( his first 3 years), he would have have the same output as jvr and petty combined right now. All in a team that won 5 4 and 2 games.

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34 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

he is contracted to the end of the year

Yes, but does that mean the end of the AFL Home and Away Season, after the Grand Final, the end of the AFLW season, after the B&F, after the AGM, December generally or December 31st? Just asking for a couple of journo friends.

9 minutes ago, Jjrogan said:

Not to derail the thread..but if Howe had the same output for us in 2025 as the years he was a forward for MFC ( his first 3 years), he would have have the same output as jvr and petty combined right now. All in a team that won 5 4 and 2 games.

That's grim haha. Howe was more fun with us anyway. Lost a lot of his leap when he went to Collingwood.

1 hour ago, doomsday dee said:

Max would have been a great ruck-forward and that would have him play till he's 40 but unfortunately he's playing for all Australian honours

When someone else says exactly what you wanna say but are too chicken-sch!ttt to say it yourself.

2 hours ago, JJJ said:

The whole conversation(s) between Max and Goodwin about Grundy will be a full chapter in Max’s memoirs.

He didn’t want Grundy initially.

It didn’t work out. In large part because Gawn couldn’t play forward and felt like he was being wasted.

I love Max but I think you could make an argument that the trade for Grundy exposed a few chinks in his armour and the relationship between he and Goodwin.

Max was right to doubt the Grundy trade. If anything it exposes that Goodwin didn't really know how to handle Jackson leaving.

18 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

The delay in signing is starting to stink.

Another BS we don’t need right now.

If I were the club I would withdraw the offer. What is he waiting for? Must have a high opinion of himself!

10 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

When someone else says exactly what you wanna say but are too chicken-sch!ttt to say it yourself.

But he also has more career behinds than goals.

1 hour ago, doomsday dee said:

Max would have been a great ruck-forward and that would have him play till he's 40 but unfortunately he's playing for all Australian honours

Except for the fact that he is a shocking kick at goal.

1 hour ago, GS_1905 said:

Well if that is the case GW, then im not surprised at the state of the playing group.

He will be the best ruckman in the competition of all time by the time he is done. As much as you would expect humility in that, i think any average Joe/Jane would struggle without letting it get to their heads in some way. Not an excuse - just an observation.

Oh, don’t get me wrong… I don’t expect humility from Max. Nobody should. He’s human and of course he’s aware of his myriad incredible achievements. But it also makes sense that at times this can serve as detrimental to the club, particularly his teammates, who are also human. After all, when it comes to human behaviour…

“There is no map
And a compass wouldn't help at all”

As sung by Björk, the second best music act to come from Iceland.

26 minutes ago, Jjrogan said:

Not to derail the thread..but if Howe had the same output for us in 2025 as the years he was a forward for MFC ( his first 3 years), he would have have the same output as jvr and petty combined right now. All in a team that won 5 4 and 2 games.

howe was a very good forward

howe is a great defender

6 minutes ago, picket fence said:

If I were the club I would withdraw the offer. What is he waiting for? Must have a high opinion of himself!

He’s actually a very humble person. He clearly has reasons for stalling, the club may also be behind the delay of the announcement, but it’s unfair for you or anyone else to question his character based on what journalists are surmising.

2 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

He’s actually a very humble person. He clearly has reasons for stalling, the club may also be behind the delay of the announcement, but it’s unfair for you or anyone else to question his character based on what journalists are surmising.

What reason would the club possibly have to delay announcing that he has re-signed?

We leak like a broken sieve, if he had signed I can't imagine we'd be able to keep it away from the media for more than a few minutes.

Tom Morris is hiding in Judd's bushes probably

2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

What reason would the club possibly have to delay announcing that he has re-signed?

We leak like a broken sieve, if he had signed I can't imagine we'd be able to keep it away from the media for more than a few minutes.

Tom Morris is hiding in Judd's bushes probably

I think we have got Curnow, McKay H.Reid all but sewn up. We also had NAS's in the bag but when he backed out last minute, our media department had to redraft the whole comms announcement... I beleive we are just waiting back from the graphics dept before its made official on socials.