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Assuming we keep 5 & 9, who are you picking?

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3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I’ve often thought the same and as everyone knows I’m not a huge Jagga fan but he does have a fraction more pace and maybe more importantly more of a strength to win the footy and escape in tight without getting pushed around. With a decent amount of confidence you can say he’ll be a pretty solid midfielder.

I love Reid’s hands and his vision, they are special attributes. But if he doesn’t flash the natural strength and physicality to play as a mid he’s a one paced small forward. It all becomes a bit Gyran like. Mind you, if you said the following percentages are how his career players out: 20% Bill Laurie, 40% Gryan, 20% Josh Daicos and 20% Sam Mitchell how high would you take him?

Reckon his top 20% outcome is Sidebottom, not Mitchell.

Even considering that, he's still a top 10 pick in my view.

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    19 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

    Cal’s a bit half pregnant with this latest edition: he is too much of a coward to call it a phantom draft yet not a ball has been kicked between his last release and this one… How could a players’ ‘ranking’ change with zero games of footy?

    Jagga over Lalor at 4/5.

    Tauru over Smillie at 8/9.

    Hmmm what could be the reasons for those changes - both joined gettable as guests in the last 2 episodes!

    Bo Allan over TT at 11/12. Combine hangover?

    Joe Berry up 3 (Freo keen at 14?).

    Jack Whitlock up a couple (Rich, Port keen). Trainor slides a couple more. Dattoli up (Rich, Syd interest).

    Gross slides 3 spots at the back (he’s a 35+ prospect IMO).

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    6 minutes ago, Davos said:

    Reckon his top 20% outcome is Sidebottom, not Mitchell.

    Even considering that, he's still a top 10 pick in my view.

    He reminds me of early half forward Sidebottom but doesn’t have the same overhead ability which has always been a crucial bonus factor in Steele’s game no matter what position he plays but has helped him excel on the wing even with no pace. Plus Sidebottom has elite endurance.

    I also feel like Sidebottom would’ve played a lot more of his career as a permanent mid if not for Pendles, but it was better to have Pendles inside and Sidey outside for team balance. 

     

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    8 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

    20% Bill Laurie, 40% Gryan, 20% Josh Daicos and 20% Sam Mitchell how high would you take him?

    Pretty high. Because I really dislike the way we (generally) kick the ball to our forwards, and even though "Gryan Miers for pick 9" sounds unpalatable at least you're getting a really good inside 50 deliverer. 

    Improving our ball movement ahead of centre is something I think we desperately need. Game plan changes may help it. But could very good decision makers help even more? 

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    I'd take Charlie Spargo that touches the ball 25+ times a game at pick 9

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    5 minutes ago, The Taciturn Demon said:

    Pretty high. Because I really dislike the way we (generally) kick the ball to our forwards, and even though "Gryan Miers for pick 9" sounds unpalatable at least you're getting a really good inside 50 deliverer. 

    Improving our ball movement ahead of centre is something I think we desperately need. Game plan changes may help it. But could very good decision makers help even more? 

    Agree - I think DS might view the Gryan comp as a negative, but I'm a big fan and think the role he plays is vitally important in modern footy. Not sexy but worth pick 9 (probably pick 11 on draft day).

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    10 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

    He reminds me of early half forward Sidebottom but doesn’t have the same overhead ability which has always been a crucial bonus factor in Steele’s game no matter what position he plays but has helped him excel on the wing even with no pace. Plus Sidebottom has elite endurance.

    I also feel like Sidebottom would’ve played a lot more of his career as a permanent mid if not for Pendles, but it was better to have Pendles inside and Sidey outside for team balance. 

     

    Fair enough.

    Was Sidebottom an elite runner as a junior? Keep in mind Miers, who you've also compared Reid to, is an elite runner now as well.

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    3 minutes ago, Davos said:

    Not sexy

    I regard Charlie Spargo as very much in this category - I don't think too many people have number 9 on their back (sorry, Charlie). And yet I spent a lot of this year wishing we could depend on two or three of his smart, 20- to 35-metre darts inside 50 every week. 

    EDIT: Adonski already mentioned Spargo - sorry. Wasn't stealing your idea. 

    Edited by The Taciturn Demon

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    5 minutes ago, The Taciturn Demon said:

    I regard Charlie Spargo as very much in this category - I don't think too many people have number 9 on their back (sorry, Charlie). And yet I spent a lot of this year wishing we could depend on two or three of his smart, 20- to 35-metre darts inside 50 every week. 

    EDIT: Adonski already mentioned Spargo - sorry. Wasn't stealing your idea. 

    Just wish Spargo found more of the ball. 

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    I think the criticisms of Murphy Reid are a little bit rough to be honest, the kid is an absolute star, his vision, hands and ability to open up the play and create scores from nothing is the best in the draft by a fair distance in my view. I would liken him a lot more to Harry Sheezel than i would Charlie Spargo. 

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    2 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

    I think the criticisms of Murphy Reid are a little bit rough to be honest, the kid is an absolute star, his vision, hands and ability to open up the play and create scores from nothing is the best in the draft by a fair distance in my view. I would liken him a lot more to Harry Sheezel than i would Charlie Spargo. 

    Agree hes clearly a level above Spargo, just using him as an example given somewhat similar deficiencies

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    2 minutes ago, adonski said:

    Agree hes clearly a level above Spargo, just using him as an example given somewhat similar deficiencies

    My major knock on the 2 players i think we will take (Smith and Reid) are that they're both on the smaller side, i don't really have any major concerns about either developing into really good AFL players, they're both a little bit different but they suit the modern game well. 

    Everyone rates players differently, i reckon the clubs with the first 10 picks would likely have very different orders of preference 

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    37 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

    Jagga over Lalor at 4/5.

    Tauru over Smillie at 8/9.

    Hmmm what could be the reasons for those changes - both joined gettable as guests in the last 2 episodes!

    Bo Allan over TT at 11/12. Combine hangover?

    Joe Berry up 3 (Freo keen at 14?).

    Jack Whitlock up a couple (Rich, Port keen). Trainor slides a couple more. Dattoli up (Rich, Syd interest).

    Gross slides 3 spots at the back (he’s a 35+ prospect IMO).

    Personally I reckon it’s more that a) he needs to publish a new article for eyeballs/clicks/$ and b) he’s starting to hear some whispers about who might go where (but not enough whispers to confidently publish a phantom)

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    30 minutes ago, The Taciturn Demon said:

    Pretty high. Because I really dislike the way we (generally) kick the ball to our forwards, and even though "Gryan Miers for pick 9" sounds unpalatable at least you're getting a really good inside 50 deliverer. 

    Improving our ball movement ahead of centre is something I think we desperately need. Game plan changes may help it. But could very good decision makers help even more? 

    We have never really had it. I remember whinging at training in 1993 that we were so bad at putting it in front of Darren Bennett that mids should be told to aim at the 50M line. The inevitable trajectory of their kicks meant Darren would be able to get to the drop and 50 M was nothing to him.

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    29 minutes ago, Davos said:

    Agree - I think DS might view the Gryan comp as a negative, but I'm a big fan and think the role he plays is vitally important in modern footy. Not sexy but worth pick 9 (probably pick 11 on draft day).

    It wasn’t so much a negative a realistic good outcome if he doesn’t play routinely in the midfield. Comparing any draft pick to a high level (fringe All Aus even) player is positive.

    I just imagine they’ll want to use a pick that high on a genuine prime mover and/or a forward who wins contests as well as creates for others. If they pick Reid I can already picture Jase Taylor in his straight forward style saying he’ll start forward but he’s a midfielder.


    And I expect the footy department want Spargo back to his best, think Kolt grows in this area and wants to use Chandler’s kicking more too. 

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    On 10/11/2024 at 18:27, Demongirl35 said:

    Pick 5: Smith or Langford

    pick 9: Smillie or Allen 

    If we pick Langford then Allen for pick 9

    If we pick Smith then Smillie for pick 9

    Where is  a forward ? One of each a mid and forward way to go.

    Tauru Armstrong or Shanahan?

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    7 hours ago, Cheeny said:

    Pick 5 would be happy with Smith or Langford . Looks like the most likely to get to our pick . At pick 9 I’m all in for Bo Allan , we missed Gus’s versatility this year and think Bo could play that role. On any given day he could play HB - in the middle or on a wing . He is big and fast , breaks lines and has good leadership potential. 
     

    Good point about as a Gus replacement. Warming to that but Langford and Tauru would be ideal. 

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    1 hour ago, The Jackson FIX said:

    Cal’s a bit half pregnant with this latest edition: he is too much of a coward to call it a phantom draft yet not a ball has been kicked between his last release and this one… How could a players’ ‘ranking’ change with zero games of footy?

    Cal will have been talking to pro recruiters ahead of his phantom draft and they will have pointed out the strengths and weaknesses of draftees that may be news to him. That will likely have influenced his rankings.

    He is always clear that his rankings are separate from his phantom. They're two different things.

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    3 hours ago, Davos said:

    Fair enough.

    Was Sidebottom an elite runner as a junior? Keep in mind Miers, who you've also compared Reid to, is an elite runner now as well.

    Oh yeah, he certainly was.

    Had a 14.5 beep test and I'm sure he was top 5 in the time trial.

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    22 minutes ago, layzie said:

    Oh yeah, he certainly was.

    Had a 14.5 beep test and I'm sure he was top 5 in the time trial.

    Thanks - good to know.

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    3 hours ago, 58er said:

    Where is  a forward ? One of each a mid and forward way to go.

    Tauru Armstrong or Shanahan?

    I don’t think Tauru will be available at pick 5 And I don’t want Armstrong.

    Two mids  

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    5 hours ago, The Jackson FIX said:

    Cal’s a bit half pregnant with this latest edition: he is too much of a coward to call it a phantom draft yet not a ball has been kicked between his last release and this one… How could a players’ ‘ranking’ change with zero games of footy?

    The same reason that club recruiting teams player rankings have also most likely changed since the season finished......

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    4 hours ago, old55 said:

    He is always clear that his rankings are separate from his phantom. They're two different things.

    I understand this. You completely missed what I was saying 

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    Cal would also get aot of info from player managers, ie how keen clubs were on players. Especially for the earlier picks.

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    35 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

    I understand this. You completely missed what I was saying 

    His ranking is not a phantom so why is he being "a coward" not to call it that?

    I gave you a solid reason why his rankings will have changed.

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