Pert and Roffey - The Review Thread

[Hawk the Demon 738]

You can request it.

[Ollie fan 3,041]

3 minutes ago, Hawk the Demon said:

You can request it.

Can you request the affidavits in reply? There may be two sides to this.. There usually are

[Mach5 4,598]

On 06/09/2024 at 17:01, Demon17 said:

Perts KPI's

membership growth - tick

Financial stability- tick

On-field growth and performance- Flag and 3 top 4 finishes.

he should go because??

He can't get out and kick the ball for the team.

Look at his role objectively.

I guess this is the prevailing attitude that keeps people like Pert in a job, while others scratch their heads.

[Mach5 4,598]

1 hour ago, Hawk the Demon said:

And this is how Mr Pert acts towards a member if you step out of line (from Lawrence's deposition in the recent Federal Court case):

On 22 November 2022 at 12:30pm, I met with Mr Pert for a coffee at his request.
During our meeting Mr Pert said words to the effect that:
(a) MFC had incurred costs of some $500,000 in the last two years as a result of
my actions in running in the 2020/21 and 2021/22 elections, and a separate
proceeding in the Supreme Court of Victoria (in which I successfully obtained
access to the register of members); and
(b) there would be many ripple effects if I continued to agitate governance issues,
such as player sponsorships (for example, my platinum sponsorship of Kade
Chandler) no longer being offered to me, and my donations (such as my
Club 11 donation for the development of Gosch’s Paddock) no longer being
accepted by MFC.

On or around 5 December 2022, I spoke to ....... who was coordinator of the
Inner Sanctum and Player Sponsors, over the telephone. ...... informed me
that I would not be offered the opportunity to renew my platinum player sponsorship
of Kade Chandler in 2023.

Unsurprisingly sounds like bully tactics to drive the incumbents agenda & maintain the status quo, i.e. showing blatant disregard if not contempt for the best interests of the members.

Which is consistent with my own experience.

Edited September 8 by Mach5

[Hawk the Demon 738]

30 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

Can you request the affidavits in reply? There may be two sides to this.. There usually are

Don't believe it was disputed. Rennick gave evidence on behalf of the Club.

[Sir Why You Little 36,585]

1 hour ago, Hawk the Demon said:

And this is how Mr Pert acts towards a member if you step out of line (from Lawrence's deposition in the recent Federal Court case):

On 22 November 2022 at 12:30pm, I met with Mr Pert for a coffee at his request.
During our meeting Mr Pert said words to the effect that:
(a) MFC had incurred costs of some $500,000 in the last two years as a result of
my actions in running in the 2020/21 and 2021/22 elections, and a separate
proceeding in the Supreme Court of Victoria (in which I successfully obtained
access to the register of members); and
(b) there would be many ripple effects if I continued to agitate governance issues,
such as player sponsorships (for example, my platinum sponsorship of Kade
Chandler) no longer being offered to me, and my donations (such as my
Club 11 donation for the development of Gosch’s Paddock) no longer being
accepted by MFC.

On or around 5 December 2022, I spoke to ....... who was coordinator of the
Inner Sanctum and Player Sponsors, over the telephone. ...... informed me
that I would not be offered the opportunity to renew my platinum player sponsorship
of Kade Chandler in 2023.

What a shocking waste of Money…

[Mach5 4,598]

12 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

What a shocking waste of Money…

If the board/club acted like an organisation who had no alterior motive & nothing to hide, then the costs wouldn’t have been incurred.

[Sir Why You Little 36,585]

6 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

If the board/club acted like an organisation who had no alterior motive & nothing to hide, then the costs wouldn’t have been incurred.

I agree, there is Fault on both sides 

That is a wage for extra staff in the Football Department 

The whole thing stinks

[Demon Disciple 11,607]

15 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I agree, there is Fault on both sides 

That is a wage for extra staff in the Football Department 

The whole thing stinks

Yep, clearly individuals putting themselves ahead of the club’s best interests. 

Maybe it’s time to install Max as Pres, CEO, GM of Football, Coach & Captain

[Demon17 5,029]

6 hours ago, Loose Men Everywhere said:

After Collingwood's latest blow up where are all the media comments about their 'culture'?

Spot on. Media don't bite the hand that feeds them

[KozzyCan 333]

1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

If the board/club acted like an organisation who had no alterior motive & nothing to hide, then the costs wouldn’t have been incurred.

I get the feeling Pert is exaggerating a bit there. Why is he guilt tripping a member for running for election and putting the costs to the club on his head?

[Demon17 5,029]

1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

I guess this is the prevailing attitude that keeps people like Pert in a job, while others scratch their heads.

Just pointing out some corporate kpi's absolutely in Perts hidomain.

The broader issues in the club have many contributors.

Ever wondered why the Dee's doctor resigned during this year's pre season in November 2023.?

Being brilliant in her field ( just ask Steven May) she was snapped up elsewhere. Our huge loss.

Why? That's one for pert to have influence over I would have thought.

[H_T 3,032]

On 07/09/2024 at 08:18, BDA said:

I think Brad Green will sponsor the review but an external consultant will be engaged to undertake the work and deliver a report.

It needs to be an independent external review or serious issues swept under the rug will re-appear in 2025. Count on it.

Edited September 8 by H_T

[Adam The God 29,294]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I agree, there is Fault on both sides 

That is a wage for extra staff in the Football Department 

The whole thing stinks

Is there fault on both sides?

[Sir Why You Little 36,585]

2 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Is there fault on both sides?

Yes i think there is, most definitely 

[Adam The God 29,294]

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes i think there is, most definitely 

Disagree, but we'll leave it at that.

[Sir Why You Little 36,585]

1 minute ago, Adam The God said:

Disagree, but we'll leave it at that.

Who’s not at Fault?

[Sir Why You Little 36,585]

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

What a shocking waste of Money…

You are happy that money was spent @drysdale demon? Basically to smack both parties on the wrist….

[drysdale demon 4,677]

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You are happy that money was spent @drysdale demon? Basically to smack both parties on the wrist….

What are you talking about, I agreed with your post.

[Sir Why You Little 36,585]

Just now, drysdale demon said:

What are you talking about, I agreed with your post.

With a Facepalm??

[drysdale demon 4,677]

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

With a Facepalm??

You better check that facepalm

[Adam The God 29,294]

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Who’s not at Fault?

I don't think Peter Lawrence is at fault. He merely wanted better governance and has spent years passionately and financially supporting the club. Both AFL and AFLW programs.

By the end of the recent court proceedings, the board had accepted almost all of his requests.

The club did not need to waste time and money, and undermine our brand. All they needed to do was accept the better governance positions in the first place. And weirdly, they didn't.

[Sir Why You Little 36,585]

1 minute ago, Adam The God said:

I don't think Peter Lawrence is at fault. He merely wanted better governance and has spent years passionately and financially supporting the club. Both AFL and AFLW programs.

By the end of the recent court proceedings, the board had accepted almost all of his requests.

The club did not need to waste time and money, and undermine our brand. All they needed to do was accept the better governance positions in the first place. And weirdly, they didn't.

This should have been sorted out well before it got to Court. Perfect opportunity for mediation.
I would like to hear an explanation as to why the Club, dug its heels in. If it was purely self preservation, then that is disgraceful, but even so it should never have cost us $500,000

Fault on both sides in my opinion 

[Hawk the Demon 738]

The $500,000 referred to earlier in the thread was 2020-22. Who knows what was spent on this last case - it went for 4 days in the Federal Court - the lawyers on this site could perhaps hazard a guess.

[titan_uranus 24,558]

3 hours ago, Hawk the Demon said:

You can request it.

From whom? You can DM me if required.