2 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

I’d be building around Rivers, Pickett, McVee, Van Rooyan, potentially Petty if he wants to stay, Turner. We have some really good youth. I’d be looking to double down on that, as Max, May and Viney are only aging. I wouldn’t be hitching my wagon to aging warriors. They got their flag. We are no longer in the window and already have Petracca and Oliver signed to long term deals. Some rocket scientist also signed Brayshaw to a long term deal prior to that. 

I like the idea, but the only problem is there is not an A grade midfielder in that group IMO. Rivers and McVee could be it, but I reckon we'd need to completely revamp the midfield if we were building around the younger brigade at this point. A bit like the Richmond strategy of bringing in Taranto and Hopper in the one trade period. We'd need to manage that.

Ideally, we could just have a draft period like Port did at the end of 2018, and bring in 2-3 young guys that immediately make us better, but you're really only going to get midfielders like that from the very top echelon of the draft (ie top 3 picks).

But it'll be interesting to see what we do.

4 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

I like the idea, but the only problem is there is not an A grade midfielder in that group IMO. Rivers and McVee could be it, but I reckon we'd need to completely revamp the midfield if we were building around the younger brigade at this point. A bit like the Richmond strategy of bringing in Taranto and Hopper in the one trade period. We'd need to manage that.

Ideally, we could just have a draft period like Port did at the end of 2018, and bring in 2-3 young guys that immediately make us better, but you're really only going to get midfielders like that from the very top echelon of the draft (ie top 3 picks).

But it'll be interesting to see what we do.

They did incredibly well to get Butters at pick 12. All a bit of luck with the draft sometimes. We tried to trade up and grab him with a future first, that ended up being pick 3 (2019) and Luke Jackson

5 minutes ago, Jeremy said:

They did incredibly well to get Butters at pick 12. All a bit of luck with the draft sometimes. We tried to trade up and grab him with a future first, that ended up being pick 3 (2019) and Luke Jackson

Speaking of Butters - he could be a bit of a watch in the next year or two depending on how Port fare and what happens to Ken

Was reportedly not committed until Ken re-signed last year given their closeness - if their season comes undone and Ken gets given the boot, do we come hard?

Contracted until 2026 at this stage  

Just now, demoncat said:

Speaking of Butters - he could be a bit of a watch in the next year or two depending on how Port fare and what happens to Ken

Was reportedly not committed until Ken re-signed last year given their closeness - if their season comes undone and Ken gets given the boot, do we come hard?

Contracted until 2026 at this stage  

Yep definitely a watch considering he only signed a two year deal last year, didn’t want to commit long term obviously, hopefully he doesn’t like Josh Carr 

11 minutes ago, demoncat said:

Speaking of Butters - he could be a bit of a watch in the next year or two depending on how Port fare and what happens to Ken

Was reportedly not committed until Ken re-signed last year given their closeness - if their season comes undone and Ken gets given the boot, do we come hard?

Contracted until 2026 at this stage  

I love Butters as much as anyone, he’d be in the top 3 or 4 players I enjoy watching.

Don’t think he’s driving us forward on his own though, would need another seriously good mid for company 

Clarry to Hawks? has anyone else heard that? heard strong whispers over the weekend.

1 hour ago, Nascent said:

He's kicking at afl level reminds me of my golfing ability. Generally goes in the right direction but spends more time on the ground than the air.

A lesson and then hit 1000 balls. 

10 minutes ago, Simon Port said:

Clarry to Hawks? has anyone else heard that? heard strong whispers over the weekend.

Oooooh, suit you sir. I’ll put this on my Angst du Jour board. Zeitgeisty AND sure to cause lots of angst! 

16 minutes ago, BW511 said:

I love Butters as much as anyone, he’d be in the top 3 or 4 players I enjoy watching.

Don’t think he’s driving us forward on his own though, would need another seriously good mid for company 

A midfield of 2016-2023 Clarry, Trac and Butters is gorgeous.

Would still need more reinforcements obviously.

Edited June 23, 20241 yr by Binmans PA

2 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

A midfield of 2016-2023 Clarry, Trac and Butters is gorgeous.

Would still need more reinforcements obviously.

Rivers and Callaghan. 

Edited June 23, 20241 yr by Roost it far

14 minutes ago, Simon Port said:

Clarry to Hawks? has anyone else heard that? heard strong whispers over the weekend.

Where from?  I’m not opposed if it works for him and us. 

49 minutes ago, Simon Port said:

Clarry to Hawks? has anyone else heard that? heard strong whispers over the weekend.

If any coach could appreciate Clarrie’s ball winning, it’s Sam Mitchell. 

48 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Where from?  I’m not opposed if it works for him and us. 

cool, i'll take day and moore and their first round pick 

1 hour ago, Simon Port said:

Clarry to Hawks? has anyone else heard that? heard strong whispers over the weekend.

Media types are speculating on his availability. It’s entirely possible that a couple of clubs clubs think they’re a chance and the chatter’s hit the industry. 
 

The thought of Clarry in another club’s colors makes me a little sick, but have a nagging feeling that this could gain momentum.

1 hour ago, Simon Port said:

Clarry to Hawks? has anyone else heard that? heard strong whispers over the weekend.

Works for me.  He is becoming high-maintenance.  Say, a top-five pick and a top 10 pick.

43 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

cool, i'll take day and moore and their first round pick 

And he’s happy and focused on life and footy 

10 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Loading up is the shorest way for us to end up cellar dwellars for years to come. I say keep drafting top end talent and go after a 25-26 year old key forward or outside mid. (very hard to land I realise) Personally I think we can have our cake and eat it as well. Sydney and Geelong have shown the best model. With Tassie coming in and next year looking even more even we have to be patient and clever. Let us supporters run around arms flailing while internally cooler heads prevail. Here's hoping. 

💯. I think there is a bit of fallacy around the Sydney and  Geelongs of the world because I think they both have advantages that other teams do not. 

How long did it take Sydney to rebuild its list? Not long at all because almost half their best 22 are next gen players. And they also have the lure of the bigger salary cap.

Geelong on the other hand have the benefit of being the country side town just outside the  football capital and are able to attract the players that don’t like the lime light.

Unfortunately with the academy here to stay these teams will continue to have that advantage. So we should stack up when we can and reload for the next era. JVR, Jeffo, Kalani White, Turner, Windsor, Kolt, Brown are the next crop so let’s compliment that list and maybe we can have another crack in 4-5 years before Trac and Oliver have to retire. Reloading now from where we are is dangerous and could do considerable damage.
 

 

2 hours ago, Simon Port said:

Clarry to Hawks? has anyone else heard that? heard strong whispers over the weekend.

Let’s get it done. I think he is cooked and will not come close to his form from 2+ years ago. 

What makes me think this is BS is the Hawks are not the right side for him. They are kicking team and Oliver is not a cracking kick.

Their first pick this year and F1 ought to get it done.

1 hour ago, ChaserJ said:

Media types are speculating on his availability. It’s entirely possible that a couple of clubs clubs think they’re a chance and the chatter’s hit the industry. 
 

The thought of Clarry in another club’s colors makes me a little sick, but have a nagging feeling that this could gain momentum.

I'm in the keep and support clarry camp and seeing him in other colours would make me sick as well, but it would be foolish to deny it's a possibility. A very good source a few years ago stated he wasn't happy and was talking to Carlton, that was before he signed his massive deal with us. Wouldn't surprise if he opted for a fresh start now.

I can see the media not only running with the speculation, but putting forward the dees paying part of his salary and receiving peanuts in draft picks. Luckily they don't make the trades.

Andrew Brayshaw out of contract next year. 

8 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

Andrew Brayshaw out of contract next year. 

Another hack kick inside 50

Geez how good is LDU

Reminds me of a quicker Cripps imo

Like i said earlier, i think we should target Joel Jeffrey and even Mac Andrew from the Suns

12 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

💯. I think there is a bit of fallacy around the Sydney and  Geelongs of the world because I think they both have advantages that other teams do not. 

How long did it take Sydney to rebuild its list? Not long at all because almost half their best 22 are next gen players. And they also have the lure of the bigger salary cap.

Geelong on the other hand have the benefit of being the country side town just outside the  football capital and are able to attract the players that don’t like the lime light.

Unfortunately with the academy here to stay these teams will continue to have that advantage. So we should stack up when we can and reload for the next era. JVR, Jeffo, Kalani White, Turner, Windsor, Kolt, Brown are the next crop so let’s compliment that list and maybe we can have another crack in 4-5 years before Trac and Oliver have to retire. Reloading now from where we are is dangerous and could do considerable damage.
 

 

Geelong have a de facto academy in the Geelong Falcons in the Coates League. They pick up a lot of free agents or trade for players on the cheap to come home. No other Victorian club has this leg up. The argument you put up about lifestyle is also correct. 
 As for Sydney. They have been up there long enough now and have well and truly established themselves. They should not be benefiting from the ability to draft recruit Academy talent without some restrictions. No wonder they haven’t bottomed out for years.

12 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

Let’s get it done. I think he is cooked and will not come close to his form from 2+ years ago. 

What makes me think this is BS is the Hawks are not the right side for him. They are kicking team and Oliver is not a cracking kick.

Their first pick this year and F1 ought to get it done.

We will be lucky to get one second round pick and get off his whole contract.

23 minutes ago, Dee Viney Intervention said:

Geelong have a de facto academy in the Geelong Falcons in the Coates League. They pick up a lot of free agents or trade for players on the cheap to come home. No other Victorian club has this leg up. The argument you put up about lifestyle is also correct. 
 As for Sydney. They have been up there long enough now and have well and truly established themselves. They should not be benefiting from the ability to draft recruit Academy talent without some restrictions. No wonder they haven’t bottomed out for years.

I'm not against the idea of academy prospects for new and growing clubs. But after a decade in the comp, enough is enough. There should be no team with that advantage. Either allow next gen draft access for all clubs or none at all.