Stats Files - 2024

[binman 42,683]

3 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

Look at that -21 for ground balls stat. Crazy how that stat has become so inconsequential to how we play.

There's an interesting potential correlation with the loose ball gets as per wheelos terrific addition to his stats.

Melbourne's Forward 50

Loose Ball Gets: -14

Post clearance

Loose ball gets: -19 

Pre clearance

Loose Ball Gets: -3

I suspect one of the causal factors driving the post clearance, inside our forward 50 and the ground ball numbers, is the Lyon defensive flood. 

They often seemed to have at least a couple of extra players defending our forward line.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

4 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

Agreed DD. To the eye many can see he's not right. What does the data tell us in how much 'off' he really is. I don't know where to even look. There's the obvious raw disposals, but that is never really a great indicator. what we are looking for is his ability to impact games. He was never big on scoring involvements (from memory that was Tracs area), but his CP, defensive acts, clearances, i50s were telltale signs of his impact on games.  

The fact that taggers are going to Trac instead of Oliver is telling enough. 

The rating is a rough to fair indicator Gawndy.

Afrer next round, time allowimg, i'll be doing a review of anyone who's played 10 rounds or more this season.

A form comparison of how they went in the first 5 to 6 rounds vs the last 5 to 6.

And also how they're travelling vs their entire 2023 results.

With regard to Clarry there are the aspects you mentioned.  And then there's his ability to drive legs out and away from congestion (spread?), then dispose the pill with reasonable effectiveness.

When we see some decent numbers coming through on the grunt side such as those you mentioned (which we're starting to see in his last month or so), then the latter happening a fair bit, we are then getting in to the realms of the Clarry of old that can help win matches and turn games.

If that happens we will have "take off" for season 2024 imv with anything possible from there.

Edited May 27 by Demon Dynasty

[binman 42,683]

On 21/05/2024 at 09:35, layzie said:

What do you put this down to Binman? Not enough skill when we turn it over? Not generating enough turnovers in the first place or in areas where we want them?

A couple of factors come to mind.

A key one is having 2 of our 3 best kicks - salem and bowey - out of the side for a big chunks of time.

That iss compounded by both players being half back flankers, the engine room for creating high quality scoring opportunities on turnover and transition.

Given the key role elite distributors play in the turnover game, its no surprise we look much better on transition with those two in the side.

I think another factor is that we have a number of players who ate not great kicks.

And perhaps the biggest factor is we are trying to implement a new system, which will always be a challenge, particularly for a team that is so systems based, and one that has a super defined system drilled into them for 3 plus years.

[binman 42,683]

45 minutes ago, binman said:

A couple of factors come to mind.

A key one is having 2 of our 3 best kicks - salem and bowey - out of the side for a big chunks of time.

That iss compounded by both players being half back flankers, the engine room for creating high quality scoring opportunities on turnover and transition.

Given the key role elite distributors play in the turnover game, its no surprise we look much better on transition with those two in the side.

I think another factor is that we have a number of players who ate not great kicks.

And perhaps the biggest factor is we are trying to implement a new system, which will always be a challenge, particularly for a team that is so systems based, and one that has a super defined system drilled into them for 3 plus years.

The swans are the deserved benchmark for the turnover game

But I think it's worth noting that they have been using that method for the last 2 seasons and are the most settled team in the AFL in terms of forced changes.

Consider the impact if they lost 2 of their 3 best kicks that are key to their transition game - say blakely and gulden.

Edited May 27 by binman

[Adam The God 30,129]

48 minutes ago, binman said:

There's an interesting potential correlation with the loose ball gets as per wheelos terrific addition to his stats.

Melbourne's Forward 50

Loose Ball Gets: -14

Post clearance

Loose ball gets: -19 

Pre clearance

Loose Ball Gets: -3

I suspect one of the causal factors driving the post clearance, inside our forward 50 and the ground ball numbers, is the Lyon defensive flood. 

They often seemed to have at least a couple of extra players defending our forward line.

This makes sense. It surprised me yesterday though given we played a higher line, so ground ball gets against had the potential to cut us open, but didn't.

6 minutes ago, binman said:

The swams are the deserved benchmark for turnover.

But I think it's worth noting that they have been using that method fir the ladt 2 seasons and are the most settled team in the AFL in terms of forced changes.

Consider the impact if they lost 2 of their 3 best kicks that are key to their transition game - say blakely and gulden.

Yep, let's see how they're looking come September for personnel and game style.

[binman 42,683]

18 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

This makes sense. It surprised me yesterday though given we played a higher line, so ground ball gets against had the potential to cut us open, but didn't.

Their kicking was woeful in the main.

And it seemed as if we dared them to take on the corridor and the saints refused the invite.

That said, 54 of their 66 points were from turnover. That's nuts.

That's only 4 points less than we scored from turnover. And is nearly 11 points more than we concede per match on average.

I can't imagine that number pleased goody. 

Edited May 27 by binman

[titan_uranus 24,975]

47 minutes ago, binman said:

Their kicking was woeful in the main.

And it seemed as if we dared them to take on the corridor and the saints refused the invite.

That said, 54 of their 66 points were from turnover. That's nuts.

That's only 4 points less than we scored from turnover. And is nearly 11 points more than we concede per match on average.

I can't imagine that number pleased goody. 

How we defend from turnover is something we need to focus on a bit more. It’s a corollary of how we’re changing how we move the ball and how we set up, but St Kilda are a poor side and still had too much ease in moving the ball from D50 or the back half and score.

[DeeZone 9,685]

7 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Round 11, 2024 MCG - Demons vs Saints

Our second best Team Rating for the year behind Rnd 1 vs the Doggies (72.4) and beating our 2023 Rating (69.9) by 1%.

Our top 6 a massive 22% improvement on the 2023 average with the bottom 6 again struggling.  Somewhat of a worry given the quality of the opposition.

Big Max ...BIG game!  Since inputing data on hit outs to advantage (2022) this is easily Max's highest rated game. 

Daylight the rest.

The last time a player rated higher in a match for the red & blue was Clarry's performance in the 2022 Qualifying Final vs the Swans with a massive 7.3

Keep in mind that any mid-field or follower's player rating of 7.0+ is quite rare and indicative of an uber elite performance.  Clarry had two Ratings of 7+ in 2022.  The other was against the Kangas in Rnd 10 with a 7.67

Petracca the only other for the 2022 season in the opening round vs the Doggies with a mega 7.35

Clarry has now pretty much matched or bettered his 2023 season rating in three out of the last four games.  His only slightly off game against the Blues two weeks ago.  Fingers crossed, great signs.

Some excellent / solid results from many.  Salem in particular i believe that's his highest rating in some time.  I would love to say how long but don't have the time right at the moment to troll through the records.  His 2023 season rating is a fair indicator of where he usually falls though, so a 40% improvement from him is substantial and his best for the season.

JVR's second best outing for the year behind his Rnd 2 game against the Hawks (2.72) and a 23% improvement on season 2023.  Let's hope he can keep that going.

Tracc's performance also substantial given the heavy tag yes?

Player	Rating	Rank	2023 Season Rating	% Change vs 2023
Max Gawn	7.200	1	3.350	114.9
C Oliver	5.200	2	5.002	4.0
C Petracca	4.475	3	4.707	-4.9
S May	4.400	4	3.213	36.9
T McDonald	4.350	5	2.054	111.8
C Salem	4.225	6	2.993	41.2
A N-Bullen	3.975	7	2.532	57.0
Jack Viney	3.675	8	3.707	-0.9
A Tomlinson	3.600	9	2.912	23.6
T Rivers	3.450	10	3.696	-6.7
K Chandler	3.025	11	2.265	33.6
J Bowey	2.850	12	2.820	1.1
K Pickett	2.850	12	2.101	35.6
J McVee	2.675	14	2.320	15.3
J V Rooyen	2.675	14	2.170	23.3
T Sparrow	2.600	16	2.811	-7.5
L Hunter	2.350	17	2.939	-20.0
Ed Langdon	2.325	18	3.057	-23.9
B Fritsch	1.800	19	2.324	-22.5
S McAdam	1.350	20	-	-
C Windsor	0.950	21	-	-
H Petty < 62%	0.575	22	2.718	-78.8
T Woewodin > 17%	0.350	23	1.406	-75.1
Team Score	70.58		69.86	1.0
Top 6	29.85		24.43	22.2
Bottom 6	9.35		15.17	-38.4

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Thanks DD after such a poor showing last week Max (huge) and majority of the team have had a major spike in their performance this week and a great time to deliver in front of our home crowd. May, TMac, Tomlinson and Salem were on fire and Clayton continues the rise.😁👍

Edited May 27 by DeeZone

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average
Clayton Oliver	31	62	45.2
Alex Neal-Bullen	26	61	53.8
Jack Viney	25	59	62.7

Pressure points from these three appear to be up there, at least as far as their season average goes.

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Against
1	171	180
2	169	155
3	192	157
4	167	146
Match	174	160

Team pressure, although obviously a fair way ahead of the Saints, was still below the AFL average of 180

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	21	78%	84.2%	64.9%
Clayton Oliver	20	74%	72.0%	81.4%
Kysaiah Pickett	20	74%	32.9%	11.2%
Christian Petracca	16	59%	59.5%	61.1%
Jack Viney	13	48%	68.8%	72.1%
Alex Neal-Bullen	11	41%	13.3%	2.1%
Jacob van Rooyen	6	22%	13.7%	7.6%
Tom Sparrow	1	4%	36.6%	44.9%
Christian Salem	0	0%	24.5%	0.0%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	3.5%	0.7%
Trent Rivers	0	0%	2.9%	3.0%

Kozzy spending major minutes in the middle.  More than 60% over his 2023 attendance and 41% more time than his usual time in 2024.  The FD must be liking what they are seeing here and/or finally believe his tank and impact playing through here is starting to really pay dividends.

Nibbla also way up on his average CBA vs last season and this season.  The FD must be happy with what they're seeing here as well.  I also love the idea of more mid time for Nibbla as it means we are more likely to see him improving our connection with forwards given he is rated as our most damaging player with the last kick inside 50.

Salem zero attendances vs 10 last week.

JVR taking over Petty's CB ruck duties from last week following his return from concussion protocols.  Petty taking just the one ruck contest up forward.

Some very handy data here each week thanks @wheeloratings!

Edited May 27 by Demon Dynasty

[Nairobi_Demon 335]

18 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	21	78%	84.2%	64.9%
Clayton Oliver	20	74%	72.0%	81.4%
Kysaiah Pickett	20	74%	32.9%	11.2%
Christian Petracca	16	59%	59.5%	61.1%
Jack Viney	13	48%	68.8%	72.1%
Alex Neal-Bullen	11	41%	13.3%	2.1%
Jacob van Rooyen	6	22%	13.7%	7.6%
Tom Sparrow	1	4%	36.6%	44.9%
Christian Salem	0	0%	24.5%	0.0%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	3.5%	0.7%
Trent Rivers	0	0%	2.9%	3.0%
Lachie Hunter	0	0%	0.0%	0.2%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	5.7%
Josh Schache			8.3%	0.0%
Koltyn Tholstrup			8.3%
Charlie Spargo			4.2%	0.0%
Bailey Laurie			1.5%	0.0%

 

Wow, 74% CBA for Kozzie. Looks like his CBAs have largely come at the expense of Sparrow, suggesting the coaches are concerned about our need for more pace in the middle. 
 

I was also surprised by the player ratings for Langdon and Hunter - I thought they were both decent and didn’t expect them in the bottom four. 

Edited May 27 by Nairobi_Demon

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 11, 2024 vs H&A Season 2023

Clarry jumping one spot over May to take over the No.3 position.  Max closing in on Tracc with that amazing result against the Saints.  T-Mac also doing well, moving into 11 place from 13th last week.

Player	2024 Rating	2024 Rank	2023 Rating	% Change vs 2023	2023 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2023
C Petracca	4.470	1	4.707	-5.0	2	1
Max Gawn	4.397	2	3.350	31.3	7	5
C Oliver	3.829	3	5.002	-23.5	1	-2
Steven May	3.812	4	3.213	18.6	8	4
Jake Lever <	3.681	5	3.131	17.6	9	4
Jack Viney	3.422	6	3.707	-7.7	4	-2
A Tomlinson	3.387	7	2.915	16.2	14	7
C Salem <	3.253	8	2.993	8.7	12	4
T Rivers	3.127	9	3.696	-15.4	5	-4
Ed Langdon	3.027	10	3.057	-1.0	10	0
T McDonald	3.017	11	2.054	46.9	27	16
A N-Bullen	3.011	12	2.532	18.9	20	8
Judd McVee	2.952	13	2.320	27.2	22	9
J Bowey <	2.680	14	2.820	-5.0	15	1
T Woewodin < >	2.633	15	1.406	87.3	34	19
T Sparrow	2.620	16	2.811	-6.8	16	0
B Howes	2.462	17	-	-	-	-
L Hunter*	2.350	18	2.939	-20.0	13	-5
K Pickett	2.319	19	2.101	10.4	26	7
M Hore	2.273	20	-	-	-	-
J Billings > <	2.268	21	-	-	-	-
C Windsor <	2.245	22	-	-	-	-
K Chandler	2.211	23	2.265	-2.4	23	0
J V Rooyen	1.955	24	2.170	-9.9	25	1
B Fritsch	1.947	25	2.324	-16.2	21	-4
S McAdam*	1.512	26	-	-	-	-
B Laurie* < >	1.463	27	2.235	-34.5	24	-3
D Turner	1.425	28	1.825	-21.9	31	3
Ben Brown <	1.390	29	1.941	-28.4	28	-1
H Petty <	1.206	30	2.718	-55.6	19	-11
C Spargo*	1.200	31	1.886	-36.4	29	-2
K Tholstrup*	1.100	32	-	-	-	-
J Schache*	0.700	33	1.525	-54.1	33	0
J Melksham	-	-	1.599	-	32	-
Team Rating	67.24		69.86	-3.8
Top 6	23.61		24.43	-3.4
Bottom 6	13.92		15.17	-8.3

* Played less than two full matches (in total)

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Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

[spirit of norm smith 16,293]

Scoring power.  Dees still not achieving our best outcomes - goals - from inside 50 dominance   We had the most inside 50s on the weekend yet had =5th highest score   

Dees. 61 inside 50s. 14 goals. 

Power 60 inside 50s. 16 goals. 

Crows.  59 inside 50s. 21 goals 

Blues  51 inside 50s  15 goals 

Hawks  51 inside 50s  15 goals 

Swans 46 inside 50s  16 goals 

 

Connection forward of centre and inside 50 must get better 

and our goalkicking still needs to sharpen up 

[DeeZone 9,685]

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Scoring power.  Dees still not achieving our best outcomes - goals - from inside 50 dominance   We had the most inside 50s on the weekend yet had =5th highest score   

Dees. 61 inside 50s. 14 goals. 

Power 60 inside 50s. 16 goals. 

Crows.  59 inside 50s. 21 goals 

Blues  51 inside 50s  15 goals 

Hawks  51 inside 50s  15 goals 

Swans 46 inside 50s  16 goals 

 

Connection forward of centre and inside 50 must get better 

and our goalkicking still needs to sharpen up 

That is so true SONS but we were basically playing short, Harrison Petty and Shane McAdam couldn’t get amongst it, badly need that extra KPF with good hands. 14.16  and at least 4 out on the full plus not taking full advantage of our players that were free and in good position in the forward 50.

[Fromgotowoewodin 1,606]

2 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Scoring power.  Dees still not achieving our best outcomes - goals - from inside 50 dominance   We had the most inside 50s on the weekend yet had =5th highest score   

Dees. 61 inside 50s. 14 goals. 

Power 60 inside 50s. 16 goals. 

Crows.  59 inside 50s. 21 goals 

Blues  51 inside 50s  15 goals 

Hawks  51 inside 50s  15 goals 

Swans 46 inside 50s  16 goals 

 

Connection forward of centre and inside 50 must get better 

and our goalkicking still needs to sharpen up 

15 marks inside 50 is pretty good for us overall, but with those sort of i50 numbers we should be taking a couple more ideally. Saints took 12 with much fewer i50s. 

Hopefully McAdam and Petty can start taking a couple, we need to be breaking 100 more regularly towards the end of the year. 

[WheeloRatings 1,163]

Melbourne v Fremantle (Round 12, 2024)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20241206

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff
Disposal Efficiency	76.2	80.2	-4.0
Kicking Efficiency	70.9	75.4	-4.5
Metres Gained	5268	6592	-1324
Inside 50s	37	68	-31
Shots At Goal	17	33	-16
Shots Per Inside 50	45.9	48.5	-2.6
Contested Possessions	96	138	-42
Ground Ball Gets	68	92	-24
Intercepts	67	67	+0
Intercept Marks	16	15	+1
Centre Clearances	10	22	-12
Stoppage Clearances	13	26	-13
Contested Marks	4	10	-6
Marks Inside 50	10	17	-7
Hitouts	35	32	+3
Hitouts To Advantage	9	15	-6
Tackles	52	53	-1
Tackles Inside 50	12	9	+3
Def One On One Loss %	13.3	0.0	+13.3

Contested Possessions

	For	Against	Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get	2	3	-1
Loose Ball Get	19	14	+5
Contested Mark	1	3	-2
Gather From Hitout	1	2	-1
Contested Knock On	0	1	-1
Free For	4	1	+3
Total	27	24	+3
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get	3	5	-2
Loose Ball Get	3	10	-7
Contested Mark	0	1	-1
Gather From Hitout	1	2	-1
Free For	1	5	-4
Total	8	23	-15
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get	10	13	-3
Loose Ball Get	36	47	-11
Contested Mark	4	10	-6
Contested Knock On	2	2	0
Free For	6	10	-4
Total	58	82	-24
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get	5	6	-1
Loose Ball Get	17	26	-9
Ruck Hard Ball Get	4	5	-1
Gather From Hitout	9	12	-3
Contested Knock On	1	1	0
Free For	2	6	-4
Total	38	56	-18

• Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.
• Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.
• 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

	xScore	Score	Rushed	xWin %	xMargin	Margin	Swing
Melbourne	58.4	49	2	0%
Fremantle	117.0	141	0	100%	+58.6	+92	+33.4

Team	Shots	Score	Accuracy	xScore	+/-	xSc. / Shot	Shot Rating
Overall
Melbourne	17	7.5.47	41.2%	56.4	−9.4	3.32	−0.55
Fremantle	33	22.9.141	66.7%	117.0	+24.0	3.55	+0.73
General Play
Melbourne	8	4.2.26	50.0%	22.8	+3.2	2.86	+0.39
Fremantle	16	8.7.55	50.0%	45.8	+9.2	2.86	+0.57
Set Position
Melbourne	9	3.3.21	33.3%	33.5	−12.5	3.72	−1.39
Fremantle	17	14.2.86	82.4%	71.2	+14.8	4.19	+0.87

• xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.
• Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.
• xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.
• +/-: total score above or below expected score.
• xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.
• Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

 

 

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Agn	Diff
1	179	172	+7
2	167	187	-20
3	198	205	-7
4	154	160	-6
Match	175	181	-6

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average
Clayton Oliver	28	69	47.2
Jack Viney	26	62	62.7
Alex Neal-Bullen	25	61	54.4
Kysaiah Pickett	21	41	43.0
Christian Petracca	23	41	34.9
Caleb Windsor	18	37	31.9
Harrison Petty	17	37	29.5
Tom Sparrow	19	34	47.7
Bayley Fritsch	14	33	16.0
Kade Chandler	12	30	47.4
Jake Bowey	13	30	16.8
Shane McAdam	15	29	28.0
Max Gawn	10	29	25.8
Adam Tomlinson	9	28	24.3
Daniel Turner	12	25	15.0
Taj Woewodin	13	24	14.3
Ed Langdon	11	23	29.7
Trent Rivers	11	23	22.6
Tom McDonald	11	16	22.7
Christian Salem	6	12	26.0
Judd McVee	6	12	15.5
Steven May	5	12	10.0
Lachie Hunter	4	7	14.0

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter	For	Against
1	53%	47%
2	42%	58%
3	38%	62%
4	45%	55%
Match	43%	57%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Category	Score	Against	Diff
Kick-in	0.0.0	0.0.0	+0
Centre Bounce	0.1.1	1.1.7	-6
Stoppage (Other)	0.2.2	7.2.44	-42
Turnover	7.4.46	14.6.90	-44

Score Source	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Kick-in	0	3.1	0	1.8
Centre Bounce	1	12.1	7	7.2
Stoppage (Other)	2	22.2	44	19.9
Turnover	46	42.1	90	47.2

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Fremantle.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Category	Region	For		Against
		Match	Season	Match	Season *
Centre Bounce	Centre	1	12.1	7	7.2
Kick-in	D50	0	3.1	0	1.8
Stoppage (Other)	D50	0	1.7	7	2.1
Stoppage (Other)	Centre	0	2.3	0	2.2
Stoppage (Other)	Wing	1	12.4	19	9.7
Stoppage (Other)	F50	1	5.8	18	6.0
Turnover	D50	7	7.6	1	7.6
Turnover	Centre	6	7.0	31	8.2
Turnover	Wing	32	20.4	45	25.1
Turnover	F50	1	7.1	13	6.3

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
D50	7	12.3	8	11.5
Centre	7	21.4	38	17.6
Wing	33	32.8	64	34.8
F50	2	12.8	31	12.3

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Defensive 50	7	12.3	8	11.5
Defensive midfield	12	18.8	37	17.7
Centre bounce	1	12.1	7	7.2
Attacking midfield	27	23.3	58	27.4
Forward 50	2	12.8	31	12.3

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Fremantle.

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season *
19	31.2	45	29.2

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Fremantle.

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	28	85%	84.3%	64.9%
Jack Viney	20	61%	67.9%	72.1%
Clayton Oliver	19	58%	70.5%	81.4%
Christian Petracca	17	52%	58.7%	61.1%
Kysaiah Pickett	17	52%	35.2%	11.2%
Alex Neal-Bullen	15	45%	16.7%	2.1%
Tom Sparrow	11	33%	36.2%	44.9%
Harrison Petty	5	15%	5.0%	0.7%
Christian Salem	0	0%	21.2%	0.0%
Trent Rivers	0	0%	2.6%	3.0%
Lachie Hunter	0	0%	0.0%	0.2%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	5.7%
Jacob van Rooyen			13.7%	7.6%
Josh Schache			8.3%	0.0%
Koltyn Tholstrup			8.3%
Charlie Spargo			4.2%	0.0%
Bailey Laurie			1.5%	0.0%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

	Ruck Contests	RC %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	73	85%	82.3%	57.5%
Harrison Petty	13	15%	5.4%	2.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Christian Petracca	0	0%	0.0%	0.4%
Clayton Oliver	0	0%	0.0%	0.1%
Steven May	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	9.3%
Tom Sparrow	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Jacob van Rooyen			14.2%	13.1%
Josh Schache			13.3%	4.1%
Ben Brown			0.2%	2.3%

Hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.	To Adv. % (2024)	To Adv. % (2023)
Max Gawn	73	31	8	27.9%	30.1%
Harrison Petty	13	4	1	33.3%	25.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	0		0.0%
Christian Petracca	0	0	0		100.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0	0		20.0%
Ben Brown				100.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache				100.0%	0.0%
Jacob van Rooyen				31.4%	31.1%

Opposition hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.
Sean Darcy	50	21	10
Luke Jackson	37	11	5

[layzie 33,752]

Dockers had 90 points from turnover. 

Yikes. 

[DeeZone 9,685]

Thanks Wheelo, we made Freo look like Champions and now they have our spot and we have theirs. Are we starting to see the Yze Effect, gone from hard contested football to What????

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Round 12, 2024 TIO - Demons vs Dockers

I guess you have to take the good with the bad.  But that was our third capitulation for the season.

Rnd 7 vs Brissy

Team Rating -20% vs our 2023 H&A Season Rating

Top 6 held up in this one... +8% vs the average 2023 top 6 Season Rating.  But this was no mid field top 6 who generally got smashed bar Max and a one-off Rivers (for Clarry in the second half).

Bottom 6 also smashed... -61%

Our mid fielders (and / or those who played significant time in the middle) bombed with most ratings generally poor to deplorable with the two exceptions noted above...

Viney Player Rating vs 2023 Rating -18%  CBA this match vs 2023 average  67% / 72%

Clarry -45%       CBA 42% / 81% (Clarry swapped with Rivers at HB in 2nd half due to Finger prob)

Tracc -47%        CBA 75% / 61%

Sparrow -18%    CBA 62% / 45%

Maxy +50%        CBA 92% / 65% (the Grundy factor)

Rivers +22%       CBA 33% / 3%

ANB -1%             CBA 12% / 2%

JVR -30%           CBA 8% / 8%

Tholstrup -         CBA 8% / -

 

Rnd 10 vs Eagles

Team Rating -25%  Our worst for the season so far

Top 6...  -7%

Bottom 6...  -58%

Our mid fielders (and / or those who played significant time in the middle)...

Viney -25%     CBA 70% / 72%

Clarry -6%      CBA 80% / 81%

Tracc -14%     CBA 63% / 61%

Salem +23%   CBA 33% / 0%

Maxy +21%     CBA 77% / 65%

Pickett +26%  CBA 27% / 11%

Petty -66%     CBA 23% / 1%

 

Rnd 12 vs Dockers

Team Rating -17% (same as Rnd 0 vs the Swans)

Top 6...  -3%

Bottom 6...  -57%

Our mid fielders (and / or those who played significant time in the middle)...

Viney +11%     CBA 61% / 72%

Clarry -20%    CBA 58% / 81%

Tracc -11%      CBA 52% / 61%

Pickett +5%     CBA 52% / 11%

Maxy -1.0%      CBA 85% / 65%

ANB -3%          CBA 45% / 2%

Sparrow -28%  CBA 33% / 45%

Petty -68%       CBA 15% / 1%

Player	Rating	Rank	2023 Season Rating	% Change vs 2023
C Petracca	4.150	1	4.707	-11.8
Jack Viney	4.100	2	3.707	10.6
C Oliver	3.975	3	5.002	-20.5
A Tomlinson	3.900	4	2.912	33.9
Ed Langdon	3.800	5	3.057	24.3
J Bowey	3.725	6	2.820	32.1
T Rivers	3.700	7	3.696	0.1
S May	3.400	8	3.213	5.8
J McVee	3.375	9	2.320	45.5
Max Gawn	3.325	10	3.350	-0.7
C Salem	2.750	11	2.993	-8.1
T McDonald	2.625	12	2.054	27.8
A N-Bullen	2.450	13	2.532	-3.2
K Pickett	2.200	14	2.101	4.7
T Sparrow	2.025	15	2.811	-28.0
C Windsor	1.675	16	-	-
S McAdam	1.425	17	-	-
K Chandler	1.350	18	2.265	-40.4
D Turner	1.125	19	1.825	-38.4
T Woewodin > 44%	0.900	20	1.406	-36.0
H Petty	0.875	21	2.718	-67.8
B Fritsch	0.750	22	2.324	-67.7
L Hunter < 36%	0.150	23	2.939	-94.9
Team Score	57.60		69.86	-17.5
Top 6	23.65		24.43	-3.2
Bottom 6	6.43		15.17	-57.6

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Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Edited June 3 by Demon Dynasty

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 12, 2024 vs H&A Season 2023

This season's Team Rating is still holding up.

Season is still potentially recoverable in terms of making finals but we'll need to get so much more out of the middling group and especially our bottom 6 players, whoever they are each week.  And of course the mid field regulars who are up and down like a yo yo and be very selective about who else runs through there.  Sparrow & Clarry a fair way off this season plus Viney for a few rounds after the Crows has really impacted.

My suggestion for some positional & personnel changes FWIW...

Consider pushing Rivers into the mid field for some serious minutes but only once Marty Hore is fully fit and ready to share his role off the bench (trial run).

RIvers the stand out of all the bit part wanna be mids we've tried to run through there so far this season, albeit off a very low sample size, so not extremely confident this would work either.  Worth a trial run though!?

Petty simply has to come out for JVR.  That's a no brainer this week against the Pies who will look to fully expose such weaknesses in form.

And speaking of weaknesses i would consider taking Smacca out for KB and ask him to work on his fitness / strength over the next four to six week block while at Casey.  It's not AFL standard.  Same with Petty.

Push Sparrow forward just for this week to cover the Smacca role.  Then consider Jeffo for the Kangas depending on how he goes at Casey.  Coming in for Sparrow in that match.  Sparrow as sub.  Again depending on how Sparrow goes also vs the Pies.

KB a great opportunity to see who will stand up and is capable, willing and fully fit / in form going into the second half of the season post the bye.

Woey comes in for Hunter.

Chandler is shot.  Another horror performance on the weekend and continuing on with his massive drop away post about Rnd 5.  He must be still hampered with that knee / leg issue and it's showing big time.

Moniz comes in to take on that role and bring the forward pressure which is sadly lacking other than Kozzy.  Who unfortunately is not playing enough time forward to impact in his usual manner here and probably pretty spent when he does from playing a fair chunk in the middle.

Therefore he simply isn't able to bring his usual F50 heat and crumbing goals.  His one percenters are down 33% on 2023, inside 50 tackles down almost half by 49% and average goals since his return from suspension in Rnd 7 (vs his first four rounds) are down a massive 42%!  Coming off a high base of 2 per match in the first four rounds which makes his season average look alot better than it is of late.. only 7% off his 2023 average which is deceiving.

Rivers for some of Kozzy's mid minutes helps alot here and also with some speed / spread on the outside from 666 & mid field stoppages.  With no one else providing much of that other than Tracc and to a lessor degree Viney on occasions this season.

Player	2024 Rating	2024 Rank	2023 Rating	% Change vs 2023	2023 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2023
C Petracca	4.444	1	4.707	-5.6	2	1
Max Gawn	4.308	2	3.350	28.6	7	5
C Oliver	3.842	3	5.002	-23.2	1	-2
Steven May	3.773	4	3.213	17.4	8	4
Jake Lever <	3.681	5	3.131	17.6	9	4
A Tomlinson	3.558	6	2.915	22.1	14	8
Jack Viney	3.479	7	3.707	-6.2	4	-3
C Salem <	3.191	8	2.993	6.6	12	4
T Rivers	3.175	9	3.696	-14.1	5	-4
Ed Langdon	3.098	10	3.057	1.3	10	0
Judd McVee	2.988	11	2.320	28.8	22	11
T McDonald	2.982	12	2.054	45.2	27	15
A N-Bullen	2.965	13	2.532	17.1	20	7
J Bowey <	2.907	14	2.820	3.1	15	1
T Woewodin < >	2.577	15	1.406	83.3	34	19
T Sparrow	2.571	16	2.811	-8.5	16	0
B Howes	2.463	17	-	-	-	-
K Pickett	2.308	18	2.101	9.9	26	8
M Hore	2.273	19	-	-	-	-
J Billings > <	2.268	20	-	-	-	-
C Windsor <	2.195	21	-	-	-	-
K Chandler	2.140	22	2.265	-5.5	23	1
J V Rooyen	1.955	23	2.170	-9.9	25	2
B Fritsch	1.848	24	2.324	-20.5	21	-3
L Hunter*	1.838	25	2.939	-37.5	13	-12
S McAdam*	1.483	26	-	-	-	-
B Laurie* < >	1.463	27	2.235	-34.5	24	-3
Ben Brown <	1.390	28	1.941	-28.4	28	0
D Turner	1.350	29	1.825	-26.0	31	2
C Spargo*	1.200	30	1.886	-36.4	29	-1
H Petty <	1.172	31	2.718	-56.9	19	-12
K Tholstrup*	1.100	32	-	-	-	-
J Schache*	0.700	33	1.525	-54.1	33	0
J Melksham	-	-	1.599	-	32	-
Team Rating	67.19		69.86	-3.8
Top 6	23.61		24.43	-3.4
Bottom 6	13.65		15.17	-10.0

* Played less than two full matches (in total)

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Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

[jnrmac 20,055]

Pressure acts from our defenders was practically non-existent.

 

McVee, May, Salem, Rivers. Terrible

[DeeZone 9,685]

Thanks DD the numbers tell the story our top 6 are holding up but our bottom 6-8 players have been well down all year, need to be more ruthless, don’t reward poor efforts, swing the axe as soon as they lose form. We can absorb 4 changes on a weekly basis when they are performing so poorly. Really surprised with Sparrow he is way off his best.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Mid Season Player Rating Review - Defenders

Judd McVee (Medium Defender  20yo  185cm)

Rnd 0 to Rnd 5 vs Rnd 7 to 12   +   H&A Season 2023 vs H&A Season 2024

Juddy has played all 12 matches so far in 2024.

He's had a great start to the season with his overall rating up an impressive 29% from 2023

Only dropping off a little as the season's progressed by approx 7%.

His positives given his role... rebounds, intercepts, meters gained and turnovers have all improved.

In general terms his disposal efficiency is also up 5% on 2023.  Of course it should be high given the position he's playing but a 5% improvement is still better than going south, especially given the inconsistency with some of our performances.

Has moved up a massive 11 places in the Team rankings from a fringe 22nd last season into 11th spot to date and is now one of our most consistent performers!

#4  J McVee	Rnds 0 to 5	Rnds 7 to 12	% Change	2023	2024	% Change
Contested Poss	4.7	4.0	-14.3	4.7	4.3	-6.9
Uncontested Poss	8.3	9.2	10.0	8.5	8.8	3.2
Effective Disposals*	14.8	13.2	-11.2	10.1	14.0	38.2
Disposal Effeciency %	83.1	82.3	-0.8	77.6	82.7	5.2
Contested Marks*	0.2	0.2	0.0	0.3	0.2	-45.2
Marks inside 50*	0.0	0.0	-	0.1	0.0	-
One Percenters*	2.2	2.0	-7.7	2.4	2.1	-14.4
Clearances*	0.5	0.2	-66.7	0.3	0.3	27.8
Rebound 50s*	4.8	3.2	-34.5	2.4	4.0	67.3
Inside 50s*	0.5	1.0	100.0	1.0	0.8	-25.0
Tackles*	0.7	1.2	75.0	1.4	0.9	-36.1
Score Involvements*	2.7	1.8	-31.3	2.2	2.3	1.5
Meters Gained	338.7	228.3	-32.6	182.7	283.5	55.1
Turnovers*	2.7	2.2	-18.8	2.5	2.4	-4.2
Intercepts*	5.2	6.2	19.4	5.3	5.7	6.0
Tackles Inside 50*	0.0	0.0	-	0.0	0.0	-
Time On Ground %	80.3	79.7	-0.7	78.9	80.0	1.1
Goals*	0.0	0.0	-	0.0	0.0	-
Hit Outs to Adv*	0.0	0.0	-	0.0	0.0	-
*DD's Player Rating	3.1	2.9	-7.3	2.3	3.0	28.8

Extreme percentage changes may arise due to very low comparative base numbers or a change of player's former role from one season to the next or even within season.

* Stat used to determine player rating.  All data averaged for comparison purposes.

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Edited June 4 by Demon Dynasty

[Kent 2,906]

Oliver has fallen off a cliff

What the hell has happened  Cannot keep blaming a bad preseason Something else has transpired

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Mid Season Player Rating Review - Defenders

Christian Salem (Medium Defender  28yo  184cm)

Rnd 0 to Rnd 5 vs Rnd 10 to 12   +   H&A Season 2023 vs H&A Season 2024

Salo played the first 5 rounds before ending up injured in the 6th* very early in the match vs the Lions with a hamstring.  He returned six weeks later in Rnd 10 and has played three games in succession so far.  We should keep this in mind when reviewing his results.

He opened the season in very similar fashion / form to his 2023 season.  Since his return from injury in Rnd 10 he appears to have ratcheted his game to another level.  This is probably also indicative of his time spent in the mid field in certain matches.  Running through the mid field a little appears to have resulted in more turnovers due to the increased pressure?

His disposal efficiency has also improved substantially on 2023.  However that may not be all positive if he is not taking many risks with his kicks etc and instead playing a little too safe too often with short easy 'pressure relieving' kicks that don't necessarily benefit the team or the style we are trying to implement.

The one disappointing aspect since Rnd 10, pressure has gone south.  Particularly tackles, down substantially.  That could also be a positive meaning he is not chasing as much tail and instead getting to the ball first though.  Numbers can be deceiving.

My gut feel is that Salem's game in general is not attacking enough in terms of bursting out of stoppage / congestion.  Or that when he does attempt to do so and/or try longer kicks, he is turning the ball over more often?  And then reverts back to playing the safer but less effective (at times) short dinky sideways game.  I could be wrong and just imagining things though.

#3  C Salem	Rnds 0   to 5#	Rnds 10 to 12	% Change	2023	2024	% Change
Contested Poss	5.9	7.3	23.9	6.1	6.4	4.9
Uncontested Poss	13.4	20.7	54.1	12.9	16.1	25.3
Effective Disposals*	13.6	21.0	54.3	13.3	16.4	23.1
Disposal Effeciency %	74.7	74.9	0.3	67.7	74.8	7.0
Contested Marks*	0.0	0.0	-	0.4	0.0	-100.0
Marks inside 50*	0.0	0.0	-	0.0	0.0	-
One Percenters*	1.0	0.7	-32.4	1.0	0.9	-13.3
Clearances*	1.6	2.0	26.8	1.1	1.7	61.9
Rebound 50s*	3.2	3.3	5.6	3.4	3.2	-4.0
Inside 50s*	2.2	3.0	38.3	2.6	2.5	-3.6
Tackles*	3.7	1.7	-55.5	3.5	3.0	-15.0
Score Inv'ments*	3.7	3.7	-2.2	3.3	3.7	13.1
Meters Gained	368.6	405.0	9.9	315.8	382.2	21.0
Turnovers*	3.4	5.7	69.0	3.6	4.2	18.0
Intercepts*	2.8	3.7	32.8	4.7	3.1	-34.3
Tackles Inside 50*	0.0	0.0	-	0.1	0.0	-100.0
Time On Ground %	79.9	79.7	-0.2	82.9	79.8	-3.1
Goals*	0.2	0.0	-100.0	0.0	0.1	-
Hit Outs to Adv*	0.0	0.0	-	0.0	0.0	-
*DD's Player Rating	3.0	3.6	19.2	3.0	3.2	6.6

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Edited June 4 by Demon Dynasty

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Player Rating Review - Defenders

Trent Rivers (Medium Defender  22yo  188cm)

Rnd 0 to Rnd 5 vs Rnd 7 to 12   +   H&A Season 2023 vs H&A Season 2024

Rivers set a high bar in 2023.  That was always going to be hard to maintain.  Started a little ways off that bar.  He's improved in some areas but dropped away in others.  Contested possessions & intercepts both down 25% on 2023.

His last 6 matches would appear to indicate his form has dropped away even further than his opening 6 rounds.  Although Meters gained is def on the up.  Trying to be more attacking on the rebound or kicking it longer vs the first 6 rounds?

I would really love to see Rivers trialed with some more mid field minutes from here IF we can cover him off with either Turner and/or Marty when he returns?  When he came into the middle for Clarry against the Lions i thought he really gave us something.  He may well be the extra rotation needed at this point and may benefit from the change up!

#24  T Rivers	Rnds 0 to 5	Rnds 7 to 12	% Change	2023	2024	% Change
Contested Poss	6.0	3.5	-41.7	6.3	4.8	-25.0
Uncontested Poss	11.8	15.5	31.0	13.5	13.7	1.2
Effective Disposals*	14.2	15.0	5.9	15.7	14.6	-7.1
Disposal Effeciency %	75.2	76.1	0.8	76.8	75.6	-1.2
Contested Marks*	0.3	0.3	0.0	0.7	0.3	-49.5
Marks inside 50*	0.0	0.0	-	0.2	0.0	-
One Percenters*	1.7	1.8	10.0	2.2	1.8	-18.8
Clearances*	1.7	0.5	-70.0	1.1	1.1	-1.5
Rebound 50s*	3.7	3.3	-9.1	4.0	3.5	-12.5
Inside 50s*	2.3	3.2	35.7	3.0	2.8	-8.0
Tackles*	2.0	1.7	-16.7	2.3	1.8	-19.8
Score Involvements*	4.3	3.3	-23.1	3.6	3.8	6.3
Meters Gained	333.7	410.5	23.0	393.9	372.1	-5.5
Turnovers*	3.2	3.7	15.8	3.2	3.4	6.4
Intercepts*	5.8	3.8	-34.3	6.6	4.8	-26.2
Tackles Inside 50*	0.0	0.0	-	0.1	0.0	-
Time On Ground %	82.2	78.7	-3.5	78.2	80.4	2.9
Goals*	0.0	0.0	-	0.1	0.0	-
Hit Outs to Adv*	0.0	0.0	-	0.0	0.0	-
*DD's Player Rating	3.4	3.0	-11.9	3.7	3.2	-14.1

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com