we don't have any requirement to trade petty

he's under contract and will be a restricted free agent at the end of 2025

unless the crom or the pear come in with a juicy offer, i expect he'll be in red and blue next year...

...and fwiw rucci - who is pretty connected in sa medja - thinks he isn't comin back to sa

42 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

we don't have any requirement to trade petty

he's under contract and will be a restricted free agent at the end of 2025

unless the crom or the pear come in with a juicy offer, i expect he'll be in red and blue next year...

...and fwiw rucci - who is pretty connected in sa medja - thinks he isn't comin back to sa

agree wholeheartedly. Make them pay an appropriate compensation. If he and the Crows want this they pay, not him and his agent but MFC.

Cal talking through some of the players in the guide and reason for ranking:

 

The thing I find most interesting is the different rankings being presented are quite different, which bodes well for picking some late gems.

Must be a very even but deep draft from the different views of the 'experts'.

They're all scrambling to get their lists out. Here's Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' July ranking

A few differences between this one and that of AFL Draft Central and the still glaring omissions of the Camporeale twins and Walsh from SA. My favourite is Harvey Langford who comes in at #4 here but was in the 20s in the Draft Central rankings.

1. Levi Ashcroft
2. Josh Smillie
3. Finn O'Sullivan
4. Harvey Langford
5. Murphy Reid
6. Jagga Smith
7. Luke Trainor
8. Sam Lalor
9. Sid Draper
10. Bo Allan
11. Leo Lombard
12. Taj Hotton
13. Tobie Travaglia
14. Harry Armstrong
15. Isaac Kako
16. Xavier Lindsay
17. Joe Berry
18. Jack Whitlock
19. Cooper Hynes
20. Tom Gross
21. Sam Marshall
22. Christian Moraes
23. Alex Dodson
24. Alixzander Tauru
25. Harrison Oliver
26. Matt Whitlock
27. Jobe Shanahan
28. Jonty Faull
29. Thomas Sims
30. Noah Mraz

ESPN’s draft rankings, again some differences in order. Jasper Challopah’s variances are entirely defensible:

July 2024 Draft Power Rankings: New No. 1 emerges after U18 National Championships

28 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

They're all scrambling to get their lists out. Here's Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' July ranking

 

i would be shocked if one if not both the camporeale twins aren't rated in the top 20 prospects of this year's draft crop

On 16/07/2024 at 13:07, Gawndy the Great said:

He's an RFA so either this year or next, the balls in our court. 

Given Adelaide have a F/S at ~ 10-15, they don't need their Pick 5 so we could give them Petty, 38 and 42 (for points) in exchange for Pick 5. They could alternatively try to split #5 with GCS 8 and 9, and use one of those picks for Petts whilst holding onto a pick for points, but it requires more from Adelaide to make that work. 

We are winners either way i think. Either hold onto Petts, which will be better for it in 2025 with a full pre-season or we get a top 10 pick. 

If Adel end up with pick there is zero chance they will trade it. Any Welsh bid will come after pick 5 so they can draft a player at pick 5 and also use later picks on Welsh. To say they dont need it is 1005 wrong. If it was pick 15 and Welsh was rated 10ish thats a different story.

On 16/07/2024 at 13:19, Colm said:

Read somewhere the Crows would love to get Draper at pick 5 if he’s still there. Local lad who’s very highly rated. Not sure they will be keen to let pick 5 go if they think he will still be there. 

Correct

17 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

the fisted, listed:
- us: mac andrew
- aints: cam mckenzie
- norf: riley sanders
- meth coke: lance collard
- flagmantle: jesse motlop and mitch edwards
- dingley: tew jiath

Sanders was a very late entry to Norths NGA and will ruled to be ineligible for North so they never had a chance to take him as an NGA player

5 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

we don't have any requirement to trade petty

he's under contract and will be a restricted free agent at the end of 2025

unless the crom or the pear come in with a juicy offer, i expect he'll be in red and blue next year...

...and fwiw rucci - who is pretty connected in sa medja - thinks he isn't comin back to sa

Any pick Adel throws up this year needs to be better than what Melb would receive as compensation under free agency formula

12 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

Any pick Adel throws up this year needs to be better than what Melb would receive as compensation under free agency formula

and it'll likely be a first round compo pick immediately after our pick, so - based on 2024 form - around pick 8-15

crom don't have anything in that spot to trade away

hence why we'll hold him to his contract

3 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

and it'll likely be a first round compo pick immediately after our pick, so - based on 2024 form - around pick 8-15

crom don't have anything in that spot to trade away

hence why we'll hold him to his contract

They could offer a future first if they are serious. 
Or they could do a deal using their FF to get a first round pick off Suns or Brisbane this year. 

Edited July 17, 20241 yr by Colm

21 minutes ago, Colm said:

They could offer a future first if they are serious. 
Or they could do a deal using their FF to get a first round pick off Suns or Brisbane this year. 

i still think petty at 24-25 offers us far more while we are in the premiership window than an 18 year old speculative pick does, particularly in a midfield heavy draft

i still very much see him as our may / mcdonald replacement defensively

39 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

If Adel end up with pick there is zero chance they will trade it. Any Welsh bid will come after pick 5 so they can draft a player at pick 5 and also use later picks on Welsh. To say they dont need it is 1005 wrong. If it was pick 15 and Welsh was rated 10ish thats a different story.

Correct

Sanders was a very late entry to Norths NGA and will ruled to be ineligible for North so they never had a chance to take him as an NGA player

Any pick Adel throws up this year needs to be better than what Melb would receive as compensation under free agency formula

you are not wrong, but what i meant to say is that using Pick 5 for the F/S would be a complete waste. They ultimately need to decide on whether they want Draper or Petty. I don't think there is a world where they get all 3 unless they split the pick with GCS and hope Draper slips to 8-9 and trade the other one with Melbourne for Petty - but that is extremely unlikely to happen. 

12 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

i still think petty at 24-25 offers us far more while we are in the premiership window than an 18 year old speculative pick does, particularly in a midfield heavy draft

i still very much see him as our may / mcdonald replacement defensively

Agree 100%. I really hope he stays and I’d be happy to hold him to his last year even if he wants out but the offer isn’t good enough from our perspective. 

However history would suggest if he wants out he will probably leave this year and I was just pointing out that the Crows would be able to get it done without using pick 5. 

The 2024 Marsh AFL National Championships U18 Boys All Australian Team has been announced:-

3 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

They're all scrambling to get their lists out. Here's Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' July ranking

A few differences between this one and that of AFL Draft Central and the still glaring omissions of the Camporeale twins and Walsh from SA. My favourite is Harvey Langford who comes in at #4 here but was in the 20s in the Draft Central rankings.

1. Levi Ashcroft
2. Josh Smillie
3. Finn O'Sullivan
4. Harvey Langford
5. Murphy Reid
6. Jagga Smith
7. Luke Trainor
8. Sam Lalor
9. Sid Draper
10. Bo Allan
11. Leo Lombard
12. Taj Hotton
13. Tobie Travaglia
14. Harry Armstrong
15. Isaac Kako
16. Xavier Lindsay
17. Joe Berry
18. Jack Whitlock
19. Cooper Hynes
20. Tom Gross
21. Sam Marshall
22. Christian Moraes
23. Alex Dodson
24. Alixzander Tauru
25. Harrison Oliver
26. Matt Whitlock
27. Jobe Shanahan
28. Jonty Faull
29. Thomas Sims
30. Noah Mraz

Brisbane have struck lightning twice::: 2 x number 1 father son draft picks. Unbelievable 

33 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

The 2024 Marsh AFL National Championships U18 Boys All Australian Team has been announced:-

What’s with those green dragons?

Edited July 17, 20241 yr by DistrACTION Jackson

So Levi Ashcroft is on the bench of the AA team and yet is expected to go #1?

Keen on drafting Tobie Travaglia just for his name.

I can’t help but feel a bit excited about the depth of this years draft, certainly provides a number of opportunities for our recruitment team to fill a couple of gaping holes in the list.😁👍

2 hours ago, DeeZone said:

I can’t help but feel a bit excited about the depth of this years draft, certainly provides a number of opportunities for our recruitment team to fill a couple of gaping holes in the list.😁👍

mentally preparing for us to trade out of it, eh?

3 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

So Levi Ashcroft is on the bench of the AA team and yet is expected to go #1?

And the other name thrown around at #1, Smillie, isn’t in the side

I know there will be shifts and trades and moves and swaps and twisting and turns before picks are finalised.  But I tried to rank players and look at current ladder positions.  Here is run number 1 up to 50 live picks excluding the academy and father sons. 

3 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

What’s with those green dragons?

Players from Sandy dragons I think

Mock Draft 2024 run #1

ROUND ONE

1 Richmond. Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh
2 North Melbourne. Luke Trainor - Sandringham
3 West Coast. Josh Smillie - Eastern

***Brisbane match bid. Levi Ashcroft Father son.

4 St Kilda. Jagga Smith - Oakleigh
5 Adelaide. Sid Draper - Sth Adel 

***Suns match bid (Academy ) Leonardo Lombard 

6 Hawthorn. Christian Moraes - Eastern 
7 Fremantle (tied to Collingwood), Sam Lalor- GWV
8 Gold Coast. Murphy Reid - Sandringham
9 Gold Coast (tied to Western Bulldogs). points used 
10 Fremantle (tied to Port Adelaide). Tom Gross - Oakleigh
11 Melbourne. Xavier Lindsay - Gippsland
12 GWS. Taj Hotton - Sandringham 

***Blues match bid. Father son. Ben Camporeale - Glenelg SA
13 Essendon. Jonty Faull - GWV 

***Brisbane match bid - Sam Marshall - academy

14 Fremantle. Harvey Langford - Dandenong
15 Brisbane. Points used xx
16 Geelong. Bo Allan - WA

***Crows match bid.  Father son. Tyler Welsh - WWT 

17 Carlton. Tobie Travaglia - Bendigo
18 Sydney. Harry O'Farrell

END OF ROUND ONE

19 Sydney (tied to North Melbourne assistance package) Jobe Shanahan - Bendigo (NSW) 
20 Gold Coast (tied to North Melbourne) Joe Berry - Murray 

ROUND TWO

24 *****Essendon - Isaac Kako - Calder (Ess NGA) 

25 Richmond. Alex Dodson- SA 
22 North Melbourne. Jack Whitlock - Murray
23 West Coast. Harrison Oliver - Sandringham 
24 Fremantle (tied to St Kilda) . Harry Armstrong - Sandringham
25 St Kilda (tied to Adelaide). Cooper Hynes - Dandenong
26 Collingwood (tied to Hawthorn). Matt Whitlock- Murray
27 Hawthorn (tied to Collingwood). Nathaniel Sulzberger - Sandringham

*** Port match bid. NGA .Benny Barrett - Sth Adel

28 Gold Coast. Thomas Sims - Northern 

***Blues match bid.  Father son. Luke Camporeale - Glenelg SA

29 Western Bulldogs.  Zak Johnson- Northern
30 Port Adelaide.  Nash King - Calder 
31 Adelaide (tied to Melbourne). Kade Herbert - SA
32 GWS. Josh Murphy - Murray
33 Essendon. Damon Hollow - Calder
34 Richmond (tied to Fremantle). Lachie Jacques - Geelong
35 Gold Coast (tied to Brisbane) . Hamish Davis - Claremont WA
36 Geelong. Noah Mraz - Dandenong 
37 Carlton. Lucas McInerney - Northern

38.Melbourne (tied to Sydney). Patrick Retschko - Oakleigh 

ROUND THREE

39 Richmond. Kayle Gerryn - West Perth
40 North Melbourne. Phoenix Hargrave - Sth Adel 
41 Richmond (tied to West Coast). Sam Davidson - RICHMOND VFL 
42 Melbourne (tied to St Kilda). Archer Day-Wicks - Bendigo 
43 Adelaide. Ned Bowman - Norwood SA

**** Port Adelaide match bid. Father son. Louis Montgomery - Nth Adel 

44 Collingwood (tied to Hawthorn). Jesse Dattoli - Northern
45 Collingwood. Malakai Champion - Subiaco
46 Western Bulldogs (tied to Gold Coast). Cody Anderson - Eastern
47 Melbourne (tied to Western Bulldogs)- Keighton Matofai-Forbes - Western
48 Port Adelaide. Charlie Nicholls - Central District SA
49 St Kilda (tied to Melbourne) Oliver Depaoli-Kubank - Tassie
50 GWS. Luke Urquhart WA

Edited July 17, 20241 yr by spirit of norm smith
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Why those players for MFC, and what do they bring to the table?