The 2023 Draft and Trade Targets Thread

[Adam The God 30,403]

3 hours ago, Dannyz said:

Denver Grainger Barras is available if we wanted some KPD cover in the event that Tommo leaves.

His wiki page says he's contracted until 2024. Does this mean he's pushing for an exit?

[Adam The God 30,403]

1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

Neither Turner or Adams are big enough to cover May, Tomlinson is.

Adams is taller than Tomlinsom, just doesn't have his strength. Yet.

But that's why I want O'Sullivan and then Watson, thank you very much.

[Colm 2,183]

11 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Thanks... He looks like going mid to late first round. Are we prepared to spend that much I wonder

O'Sullivan is rated number 10 in most draft orders that I have seen. He’s also the second best KPD prospect in the draft. Assume Walters, Reid and Sanders go to 10 to their academy clubs that bring O’Sullivan into 7 so not much of a reach for us. GWS and Cats could pounce if we let him slip past our pick. 

[Edm 104]

O’Sullivan will be a jet 

 198 cm and moves well 

seems really mobile and could be similar to a mark blicavs where he could play anywhere 

worthy of a pick 5 especially if we can get gc pick 

Edited September 17, 2023 by Edm

[Adam The God 30,403]

2 minutes ago, Edm said:

O’Sullivan will be a jet 

 198 cm and moves well 

seems really mobile and could be similar to a mark blicavs where he could play anywhere 

worthy of a pick 5 especially if we can get gc pick 

Moves like Harris Andrews IMV.

[DistrACTION Jackson 9,198]

My ideal off-season would be as follows:

- Trade for Mabior Chol to be our ruck/forward (44 goals in 2022 show he is no slouch)

- Trade Grundy for pick 22 and then look for a cheap back up ruck option (Hayes or Flynn spring to mind)

- Utilise our picks pick 13, 22, 24, 34 and future first to end up with two top 10 picks and ideally another within 20 this year

- Draft one of McKercher, Duursma or Sanders with our first pick

- Draft O'Sullivan with our next pick

- Draft a classy ball user with our 3rd pick and Kynan Brown with a later pick

- Trade a 3rd rounder to Adelaide for McAdam

There will be other players that I'm sure will pop up, but that to me is the key things we need to address.

Oh and I would not be trading Tomlinson and plan to play him with Lever and May next season and a forward line with Petty, JVR and Chol.

Potential team:

B:        McVee        May              Rivers

HB:     Salem          Tomlinson    Bowey

C:       McKercher   Viney           Hunter

HF:     Petracca      Petty            Neal-Bullen

F:        Fritsch         JVR              Pickett

R:        Gawn           Oliver           Brayshaw

Int:      Chol            McAdam       Sparrow        Chandler

[BaliDemon 401]

 

How about Levi Casboult for a season or two while we're in the window? 

Still very durable with 21 senior games for the Suns in 2022 (35 goals) and 20 games in 2023 (24 goals). Likely to be starved of opportunity up there with Jed Walter coming on board. Better option than either of Brown or TMac imo and wouldn't cost an arm and a leg. Handy ruck insurance for an injury to Gawn, too. 

 

 

 

[Roger Mellie 4,096]

3 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

My ideal off-season would be as follows:

- Trade for Mabior Chol to be our ruck/forward (44 goals in 2022 show he is no slouch)

- Trade Grundy for pick 22 and then look for a cheap back up ruck option (Hayes or Flynn spring to mind)

- Utilise our picks pick 13, 22, 24, 34 and future first to end up with two top 10 picks and ideally another within 20 this year

- Draft one of McKercher, Duursma or Sanders with our first pick

- Draft O'Sullivan with our next pick

- Draft a classy ball user with our 3rd pick and Kynan Brown with a later pick

- Trade a 3rd rounder to Adelaide for McAdam

There will be other players that I'm sure will pop up, but that to me is the key things we need to address.

Oh and I would not be trading Tomlinson and plan to play him with Lever and May next season and a forward line with Petty, JVR and Chol.

Potential team:

B:        McVee        May              Rivers

HB:     Salem          Tomlinson    Bowey

C:       McKercher   Viney           Hunter

HF:     Petracca      Petty            Neal-Bullen

F:        Fritsch         JVR              Pickett

R:        Gawn           Oliver           Brayshaw

Int:      Chol            McAdam       Sparrow        Chandler

I'm not that enamoured with Chol and think he lacks effort and desperation. I think GC will be happy to unload him given the talent coming in and the amount of time he spent in the VFL. I wouldn't be surprised if the coin he's on is somewhat inflated. We would have to match said coin.

Agree that we need to desperately bring in a ruckman. My choice would be Fullerton (ruck/forward), O'Brian or Flynn but haven't seen much of Sweet. A big pass on Hayes. He has no tank and should have catapulted Lycett into retirement by now, but is still used only sparingly in emergencies after 7 years at the club.

I expect Tommo to be told to explore his options again. He may get lucky otherwise he's a Dee in '24.

I agree with your draft priorities and am very excited by what JT and the team can conjure up.

 

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

4 hours ago, Colm said:

O'Sullivan is rated number 10 in most draft orders that I have seen. He’s also the second best KPD prospect in the draft. Assume Walters, Reid and Sanders go to 10 to their academy clubs that bring O’Sullivan into 7 so not much of a reach for us. GWS and Cats could pounce if we let him slip past our pick. 

An interesting approach you've taken. Players don't change draft positions. What happens is Club picks are pushed back firstly as free agency compensation is inserted, and then father/son & academy players are bid on and bids matched. So if as expected compensation for Ben Mackay comes in at 3 all picks after that are pushed back one position. Assuming Jed Walter comes in at 2 then our Pick 5 becomes Pick 6 pre-draft and slides back one further spot to Pick 7 on Draft Night. Gold Coast's Pick 4 becomes Pick 6. Do we want to use Pick 7 for O'Sullivan when he's rated as Pick 10?

Everyone is talking about Swans using Pick 22 for Grundy but in reality that pick could end up as low as Pick 28 on Draft Night. We used Pick 27 to get Grundy in. I can't track exactly where that ended up last year with all the pick swaps but there were 3 father/sons & 1 North Academy selection in the Top 17 so I assume that 27 ended up at the equivalent of 31.
 

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

5 minutes ago, Roger Mellie said:

I'm not that enamoured with Chol and think he lacks effort and desperation. I think GC will be happy to unload him given the talent coming in and the amount of time he spent in the VFL. I wouldn't be surprised if the coin he's on is somewhat inflated. We would have to match said coin.

Agree that we need to desperately bring in a ruckman. My choice would be Fullerton (ruck/forward), O'Brian or Flynn but haven't seen much of Sweet. A big pass on Hayes. He has no tank and should have catapulted Lycett into retirement by now, but is still used only sparingly in emergencies after 7 years at the club.

I expect Tommo to be told to explore his options again. He may get lucky otherwise he's a Dee in '24.

I agree with your draft priorities and am very excited by what JT and the team can conjure up.

 

I appreciate it's only at VFL level but Chol kicked 5.4 yesterday in the Prelim against Box Hill. 16 disposals, 11 marks, 2 tackles.

[Colm 2,183]

8 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

An interesting approach you've taken. Players don't change draft positions. What happens is Club picks are pushed back firstly as free agency compensation is inserted, and then father/son & academy players are bid on and bids matched. So if as expected compensation for Ben Mackay comes in at 3 all picks after that are pushed back one position. Assuming Jed Walter comes in at 2 then our Pick 5 becomes Pick 6 pre-draft and slides back one further spot to Pick 7 on Draft Night.

I’m aware of the above SD. Perhaps I should have maybe worded it differently. The point I was making is that with North possible getting pick 3 and possible 3 academy players before O’Sullivan. Our pick is pretty close to where he’s rated. 
The poster I was replying to wondered if we may have been taking him too early. 

[Turner 1,516]

5 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Must recruit a key defender 

dougal howard. why are the saints so off him whilst still playing him every week. if he's on 800 next year we can easily make that 600 and 3 years 

[Fat Tony 5,262]

6 hours ago, adonski said:

It's funny isn't it, so much attention comes onto our forward line, but if they can actually get on the park it should be solid at worst, and very good at best.

It's the midfield depth / class & the question mark over who is actually going to be the third pillar next to May & Lever next year, which are bigger issues.

I'd actually be keeping Tomlinson and telling him it's his spot to lose unless a Turner or an Adams comes out and has the pre-season of a lifetime, but I don't think Goody rates Tommo. 

I think we’ll want to get Tomlinson out for salary cap reasons if someone will take him and then look for a cheaper depth defender. (Who knows it could be Oscar McDonald 😂)

Turner will be better next year IMO and really needs to play AFL. And while I hope we commit to Petty as a forward all season and start Smith forward, we have some flexibility. 

Edited September 17, 2023 by Fat Tony

[Demonsterative 3,020]

50 minutes ago, Turner said:

dougal howard. why are the saints so off him whilst still playing him every week. if he's on 800 next year we can easily make that 600 and 3 years 

My Saints mate says he is the turnover King. Would pay his full salary to get rid of him 

[Nascent 9,280]

51 minutes ago, Turner said:

dougal howard. why are the saints so off him whilst still playing him every week. if he's on 800 next year we can easily make that 600 and 3 years 

A mate of mine is a saints man and says he's an absolute liability with ball in hand. Haven't seen enough of him myself but I trust his judgement of players in general.

[BaliDemon 401]

6 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

 

- Draft one of McKercher, Duursma or Sanders with our first pick

- Draft O'Sullivan with our next pick

 

 

Absolutely down with this if we can snare two picks inside that top 7 or 8 players. McKercher looks the one for me in terms of bringing a new dimension to our midfield. Classy, clean skills, Zach Merrett type. Perfect. I suspect Duursma will be taken by the Hawks before we get a look in. 

O'Sullivan as a May understudy and eventual replacement makes absolute sense. Love the look of the kid from the video clips I've seen.

As flashy and exciting as he might be, I would steer clear of Nick Watson. You just have to be soooo good at that height to excel at AFL level. Maybe at pick 12 - 18 but I wouldn't be burning a chance to nab a prime on-baller or gorilla minding full-back with top ten picks. They're just too hard to find otherwise.

Edited September 17, 2023 by BaliDemon

[BaliDemon 401]

Another left field suggestion - John Noble from the Pies. Played most of the season but can’t crack it for a spot in their finals 22. Pretty handy player I reckon. Wouldn’t be a perfect like for like replacement for Hibberd but maybe we could do with a bit more dash coming out of the back half. 2023 was Noble’s best season to date - averaging 21 disposals and 5.5 marks. 26yo, with 92 games under his belt. Capable of playing up on the wing as well.

Edited September 17, 2023 by BaliDemon

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,602]

We offer Grundy to Sydney for one of their many contracted young forwards. Most have kicked around the 14 to 18 goal range. They have too many as it is. 

[Stiff Arm 4,419]

18 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

My ideal off-season would be as follows:

- Trade for Mabior Chol to be our ruck/forward (44 goals in 2022 show he is no slouch)

- Trade Grundy for pick 22 and then look for a cheap back up ruck option (Hayes or Flynn spring to mind)

- Utilise our picks pick 13, 22, 24, 34 and future first to end up with two top 10 picks and ideally another within 20 this year

- Draft one of McKercher, Duursma or Sanders with our first pick

- Draft O'Sullivan with our next pick

- Draft a classy ball user with our 3rd pick and Kynan Brown with a later pick

- Trade a 3rd rounder to Adelaide for McAdam

There will be other players that I'm sure will pop up, but that to me is the key things we need to address.

Oh and I would not be trading Tomlinson and plan to play him with Lever and May next season and a forward line with Petty, JVR and Chol.

Potential team:

B:        McVee        May              Rivers

HB:     Salem          Tomlinson    Bowey

C:       McKercher   Viney           Hunter

HF:     Petracca      Petty            Neal-Bullen

F:        Fritsch         JVR              Pickett

R:        Gawn           Oliver           Brayshaw

Int:      Chol            McAdam       Sparrow        Chandler

You forgot Jake Lever in your side!

[DeeSpencer 26,070]

19 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

Moves like Harris Andrews IMV.

Moves a whole lot better when the ball is on the ground than Harris thankfully, but doesn’t high point the ball in the air like Harris.

Ethan Read is the best key back in this draft, forget the fact that he’s a ruck as a junior. He could be a good forward/ruck or a very good ruck, but he can be a great CHB because he reads and reaches for the ball perfectly.

O’Sullivans handballing and movement with the ball on the deck is freakish for a tall. Very good athlete. Good enough kick. Reads the play well.

But if you watch closely in aerial contests he doesn’t mark or cleanly spoil overhead with the proficiency you’d expect for a 198cm with good movement. That’s why he’s 7-10 not 3-7 draft range.

Same knock on Curtin. Heck of a back flanker, not all that flash as a key tall. Should be developed as a midfielder. 

Edited September 18, 2023 by DeeSpencer

[Adam The God 30,403]

43 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Moves a whole lot better when the ball is on the ground than Harris thankfully, but doesn’t high point the ball in the air like Harris.

Ethan Read is the best key back in this draft, forget the fact that he’s a ruck as a junior. He could be a good forward/ruck or a very good ruck, but he can be a great CHB because he reads and reaches for the ball perfectly.

O’Sullivans handballing and movement with the ball on the deck is freakish for a tall. Very good athlete. Good enough kick. Reads the play well.

But if you watch closely in aerial contests he doesn’t mark or cleanly spoil overhead with the proficiency you’d expect for a 198cm with good movement. That’s why he’s 7-10 not 3-7 draft range.

Same knock on Curtin. Heck of a back flanker, not all that flash as a key tall. Should be developed as a midfielder. 

Your description of O'Sullivan sounds like Darcy Moore. 😉

Be interesting to see where JT rates he and Read 

[SthSea22 635]

19 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

My ideal off-season would be as follows:

- Trade for Mabior Chol to be our ruck/forward (44 goals in 2022 show he is no slouch)

- Trade Grundy for pick 22 and then look for a cheap back up ruck option (Hayes or Flynn spring to mind)

- Utilise our picks pick 13, 22, 24, 34 and future first to end up with two top 10 picks and ideally another within 20 this year

- Draft one of McKercher, Duursma or Sanders with our first pick

- Draft O'Sullivan with our next pick

- Draft a classy ball user with our 3rd pick and Kynan Brown with a later pick

- Trade a 3rd rounder to Adelaide for McAdam

There will be other players that I'm sure will pop up, but that to me is the key things we need to address.

Oh and I would not be trading Tomlinson and plan to play him with Lever and May next season and a forward line with Petty, JVR and Chol.

Potential team:

B:        McVee        May              Rivers

HB:     Salem          Tomlinson    Bowey

C:       McKercher   Viney           Hunter

HF:     Petracca      Petty            Neal-Bullen

F:        Fritsch         JVR              Pickett

R:        Gawn           Oliver           Brayshaw

Int:      Chol            McAdam       Sparrow        Chandler

Where is Lever?

[SthSea22 635]

14 hours ago, Nascent said:

A mate of mine is a saints man and says he's an absolute liability with ball in hand. Haven't seen enough of him myself but I trust his judgement of players in general.

Plus he gives away stupid free kicks 

[DistrACTION Jackson 9,198]

1 hour ago, Stiff Arm said:

You forgot Jake Lever in your side!

My god.... Yes he would be in!

[old55 23,687]

20 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

My ideal off-season would be as follows:

- Trade for Mabior Chol to be our ruck/forward (44 goals in 2022 show he is no slouch)

- Trade Grundy for pick 22 and then look for a cheap back up ruck option (Hayes or Flynn spring to mind)

- Utilise our picks pick 13, 22, 24, 34 and future first to end up with two top 10 picks and ideally another within 20 this year

- Draft one of McKercher, Duursma or Sanders with our first pick

- Draft O'Sullivan with our next pick

- Draft a classy ball user with our 3rd pick and Kynan Brown with a later pick

- Trade a 3rd rounder to Adelaide for McAdam

There will be other players that I'm sure will pop up, but that to me is the key things we need to address.

Oh and I would not be trading Tomlinson and plan to play him with Lever and May next season and a forward line with Petty, JVR and Chol.

Potential team:

B:        McVee        May              Rivers

HB:     Salem          Tomlinson    Bowey

C:       McKercher   Viney           Hunter

HF:     Petracca      Petty            Neal-Bullen

F:        Fritsch         JVR              Pickett

R:        Gawn           Oliver           Brayshaw

Int:      Chol            McAdam       Sparrow        Chandler

Lever is missing as discussed and so is Langdon. Yes he had a below par year and needs to get back to his best but he's still in the best 22.  You've got too many forwards - 9 if you're playing Petracca forward and counting Chol as fwd-ruck.