Throw the game plan out. Tell the players to back themselves and run…..both ways. We’re too stagnant. At one point today May marks in D50 and just turns around and kicks it long to a one on one on the wing, it gets squared and help arrives, we win the contest take it forward and kick a goal. At no point did Freo get set. We simply beat them at the contest. If our game is defence and contest then play that way. Go long to a contest, roll in the Calvary and do it again. Keep May as the backstop and sure you’ll lose some. It’s pretty much what the pies do and it’s working. We’re a contest team and we’re damn good at it. It’s like we’re playing against our strengths sometimes 

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3 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Seemed to do well in Rd1

So did Lever. Well my day didn’t go so well, the drive in was pleasant and the pie was hot But Jacko turned up to play possibly his best game on the G Freo made the most of their opportunities and racked up a lot of uncontested possessions in our forward line which we seemed ok with as they did it whenever we looked a bit lively. Although one of our best Max is right off his game at present. Lever is being exposed down back by us not playing the third tall. We continued to bomb the ball into the forward 50 with total oblivion and managed a miserable 10.12 and three out on the full. Where has our accuracy gone?? The Dockers had a game plan that they stuck to by playing wide and maintaining possession at times we seemed quite clueless. It was a quiet drive home football wise.😪😢

8 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

The only was JVR can stop the frequency of '...pills on top of one's head...' is to bite the bullet, occasionally, and lead out into the wider and shallower areas of the forward line - pick a space or one freed of player movement, signal to your feeder roughly where to place it, run like buggery to receive or tap on, kick the goal or have another deep forward ape your endeavour. Make the play ... not wait to receive!

And how can you do that when the game plan is to bomb it, because once it hits the H/F line they don't look for anything else so that's a bit hard to do.

5 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

It's not talking it down, sides get into the right space right time, again the dogs were thought to be able to do it again but didn't, but they got stuck into thinking will do it again easy, but tell me where have we improved from 21? please tell me i'm all ears?

Strangely enough I've actually agreed with most of what you've said tonight. 

We are in a position where we need to find the next gear and so far it has been left wanting.

1 minute ago, DeeZone said:

So did Lever. Well my day didn’t go so well, the drive in was pleasant and the pie was hot But Jacko turned up to play possibly his best game on the G Freo made the most of their opportunities and racked up a lot of uncontested possessions in our forward line which we seemed ok with as they did it whenever we looked a bit lively. Although one of our best Max is right off his game at present. Lever is being exposed down back by us not playing the third tall. We continued to bomb the ball into the forward 50 with total oblivion and managed a miserable 10.12 and three out on the full. Where has our accuracy gone?? The Dockers had a game plan that they stuck to by playing wide and maintaining possession at times we seemed quite clueless. It was a quiet drive home football wise.😪😢

Well at least the pie was hot.....

Time for everyone to lower their expectations down from a flag to just making finals, sooner you do that the sooner you will enjoy the games and we can be pleasantly surprised if we do better. 

Everyone is calling for drastic changes but at the same time I don't think we are far away from what is needed. The defense was pretty good again today not that the rest of the team is trying to help them so all the calls for 1/2 the defense to get dropped need to chill.

Obviously the biggest issues seem to be stemming from the forward line being non functioning which has been an issue all year but we started the 1st month or so by being the most accurate team, the offseason seems to have had a lot of focus on accurate kicking but not working for each other in the forward half, why are our calls always standing next to each other?!

Just now, layzie said:

Strangely enough I've actually agreed with most of what you've said tonight. 

We are in a position where we need to find the next gear and so far it has been left wanting.

What, I better sit down and have a drink, I promise I won't tell anyone you agree with me.....

1 hour ago, dees189227 said:

Observing the players today it was interesting. The amount of players that were hunched over, just walking, max banging his hands when he dropped a mark or missed a tackle and there was no positive encouragement. 

It doesn't look like we're having fun or enjoying footy at the moment.

That’s good, because either am I

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

And we will be saying the same thing about JJ when Viney inevitably breaks down at 30 years of age. 
But by all means, keep playing Harmes. 

We  all knew that Bedford's restricted game time and opportunity would be costly to our skillset. The same for JJ, Chandler and JVR, and others. Yet, we play the same predictability week in, week out. If they have a walking stick, a former reputation, a Seniors Card and/or just a clutch of games left in the ammo box, they're first-picked, assured a spot in the team that otherwise could do some serious damage, and anointed with bundles of forgiveness from coaching personnel. 'See 'ya next week; maybe we'll have a better run.'

That's 0-2 NARRM

 

Don't come back next year!!!

3 hours ago, layzie said:

So last week the rainbow chasers thought we were good because we only lost by 4 to a good side. What have you got to say this week?

Well as bad as some say we are, would you agree that if we kicked straight we would have won.

That is what in many respects makes it so infuriating.

1 hour ago, dees189227 said:

Observing the players today it was interesting. The amount of players that were hunched over, just walking, max banging his hands when he dropped a mark or missed a tackle and there was no positive encouragement. 

It doesn't look like we're having fun or enjoying footy at the moment.

I hadn't notice but youre so right, the boys seemed to have fun during '21 but the past two don't seem that fun, as hard as we are on them you have to imagine they are harder on themselves.

7 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

And how can you do that when the game plan is to bomb it, because once it hits the H/F line they don't look for anything else so that's a bit hard to do.

Hate to say it but that is the circumstance under which we are instructed to play, as you describe.

Bad kicking is bad football.

7 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Well as bad as some say we are, would you agree that if we kicked straight we would have won.

That is what in many respects makes it so infuriating.

Well if my aunty had balls she would have been my uncle? but she didn't....

Grundy looks a much better option than Gawn. Interesting to see how Gawn comes back after the bye?

1 hour ago, A F said:

No wonder the club was [censored] off Bedford left.

He's exactly the sort of guy to bring in now to give Chandler a chop out.

I reckon there's a chance both would have been playing in our forward half this year.

Food for thought for the recruiting period at the end of 2023.

Bit harsh on Bedford, how many times was he the sub player. Left for game time and I can’t blame him.Would love to have him on the list still, a bloke with genuine leg speed as opposed to the one paced players we are stacked with

Just now, Dee Viney Intervention said:

Bit harsh on Bedford, how many times was he the sub player. Left for game time and I can’t blame him.Would love to have him on the list still, a bloke with genuine leg speed as opposed to the one paced players we are stacked with

We clearly sat Toby down and said you'll be playing more. Not to mention he did play last year. He was also an NGA talent for us, so we developed him from a young age. 

Look at Chandler, he stuck fat and is now getting regular games.

We don't know exactly what went on behind closed doors, but I'd be disappointed if I were the club.

Early last week Sportsbet had Freo at $4.10. Ridiculous odds. I put a few bucks on at that price. I would rather have lost my money.

6 minutes ago, SPC said:

Grundy looks a much better option than Gawn. Interesting to see how Gawn comes back after the bye?

I know this will sound strange if they are not going to play BB, and Tmac is cooked why not do something different, play Grundy FF full time or Smith if we are continuing to bomb it it in at least there will be a contest and allow JVR, etc to roam a bit more, do something different, comments welcome.

28 minutes ago, Hawny for Gawny said:

Everyone is calling for drastic changes but at the same time I don't think we are far away from what is needed. The defense was pretty good again today not that the rest of the team is trying to help them so all the calls for 1/2 the defense to get dropped need to chill.

Obviously the biggest issues seem to be stemming from the forward line being non functioning which has been an issue all year but we started the 1st month or so by being the most accurate team, the offseason seems to have had a lot of focus on accurate kicking but not working for each other in the forward half, why are our calls always standing next to each other?!

I think we set up really well behind the ball, but Gawn, May and Lever dropped at least 15 intercept marks between them. That undoes all your hard work and invited most of the scores against.

I've never seen a game where so many intercept marks were dropped and many of them not particularly difficult.

Edited May 27, 20232 yr by A F

2 minutes ago, Winners at last said:

Early last week Sportsbet had Freo at $4.10. Ridiculous odds. I put a few bucks on at that price. I would rather have lost my money.

I backed Freo made a nice little earner with what little money an old man can bet, without the wife knowing ....lol

1 minute ago, A F said:

I think we set up really well behind the ball, but Gawn, May and Lever dropped at least 15 intercept marks between them. That undoes all your hard work and invited most of the scores against.

I've never seen a game where so many intercept marks were dropped and many of them not particularly difficult.

Fair, everyone seemed to just be dropping them but IMO that's different to just not being good enough especially when they have proved they can play well.

Whoo!  So much anger.  Makes you wonder what the point is of following a team if it makes you feel like that

Edited May 27, 20232 yr by Orion