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25 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

If they haven't worked it out now Rab they never will without going to deep into it, what were the police doing and thinking in regards to patrolling the outside of the ground?

Instead of around the playing perimeter of the stadium especially behind the Victory End! Absolute farcical. 

The safety of the Players and Fans is absolutely paramount, i still dont understand it.

Its the attention to detail that has hurt the sport on a number of occasions. Who ever was or is in charge of stadium security and Policing should have been sacked that night.

Yeah, it left me wondering who is responsible for paying for the policing and security at A League games and whether there is an agreement for only stewards and security to be present inside the ground. I think in the UK the police decide how many officers are required for an event before it can get the green light to go ahead and the home club pays for their time and resources. 

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1 hour ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Yeah, it left me wondering who is responsible for paying for the policing and security at A League games and whether there is an agreement for only stewards and security to be present inside the ground. I think in the UK the police decide how many officers are required for an event before it can get the green light to go ahead and the home club pays for their time and resources. 

That’s pretty much it Rab. Police costs are the big problem - outside a ground these are met by the local constabulary but the home club pays for any policing inside the stadium as it’s on ‘private’ property. There’s a much lower police presence inside grounds now as clubs rely on cheaper minimum wage stewards backed by extensive cctv systems to act as a deterrent.  This works ok at the top of the pyramid but grounds are less safe as you drop down the leagues.

Outside is where most issues arise and police are on hand to deal with it. They still over-rely on cctv and handheld video recorders to gather evidence (rather than intervene!) for the subsequent 5am knock on the door but that’s another issue.

We’ve got a new breed of hoolie blighting the game over here now - feral, wannabe kids in their knock-off Stone Island/CP Company clobber, most of them sniffed-up to the eyeballs. They part-model themselves on European ultras with fan-marches, pyro and self-promotion on social media but they still hang around after the game hoping to get a sly dig at an unsuspecting away fan. 

I really hope last week’s lunacy was a one-off and the APL and police come down hard on the perps. They need to get a grip before such behaviour becomes mainstream.

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6 hours ago, Orion said:

British Empire.  There's no such thing as an English Empire.

Hi Orion. Self serving individuals from Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland certainly participated in the pillaging of half the planet's wealth at that time but only one government declared it their policy to do so in the name of their monarch. The word British is nothing more than a term of convenience used by the English when it suits their needs. These days used mostly when they want to lay claim to successful sports persons that hail from the other home nations. Although, they can't even be bothered to do that any more. As witnessed recently when former tennis great Sue Barker declared whilst commentating on the BBC that Andy and Jamie Murray had just sealed victory for England in a Davis Cup quarter final. 

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23 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Hi Orion. Self serving individuals from Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland certainly participated in the pillaging of half the planet's wealth at that time but only one government declared it their policy to do so in the name of their monarch. The word British is nothing more than a term of convenience used by the English when it suits their needs. These days used mostly when they want to lay claim to successful sports persons that hail from the other home nations. Although, they can't even be bothered to do that any more. As witnessed recently when former tennis great Sue Barker declared whilst commentating on the BBC that Andy and Jamie Murray had just sealed victory for England in a Davis Cup quarter final. 

hmmm.....i wonder if there is such a thing as a non-self-serving scots person, or for that matter a non-self-serving english person?

just pondering, rab

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What about the Persians, Romans, Ottomans, Angles, Saxons, Scandanavian Hordes, Normans, Spanish, Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, Belgians, Spanish, Germans, Japanese and Italians weren’t they a tad self serving.!!!

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1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

hmmm.....i wonder if there is such a thing as a non-self-serving scots person, or for that matter a non-self-serving english person?

just pondering, rab

Hey daisy. Yeah, I'd argue that there are for sure. We'd all like to pay less tax (unless you're Warren Buffet) but lots of people still understand that this will mean less funding of public services, many of which they themselves don't need to access but will end up making society fairer overall. 

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6 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Hey daisy. Yeah, I'd argue that there are for sure. We'd all like to pay less tax (unless you're Warren Buffet) but lots of people still understand that this will mean less funding of public services, many of which they themselves don't need to access but will end up making society fairer overall. 

oh, thanks rab. the concept of a scotsman willingly handing over money is a strange one for me 🤣

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32 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

oh, thanks rab. the concept of a scotsman willingly handing over money is a strange one for me 🤣

Nah, that's definitely a myth. Just like the one about the Irish being stupid. I had to go live there to find that out for myself though. 

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34 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Nah, that's definitely a myth. Just like the one about the Irish being stupid. I had to go live there to find that out for myself though. 

given my heritage is scots irish that's refreshing to hear, rab......but i already knew that 😉

but there is always just a little truth in those myths

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17 hours ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Hi Orion. Self serving individuals from Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland certainly participated in the pillaging of half the planet's wealth at that time but only one government declared it their policy to do so in the name of their monarch. The word British is nothing more than a term of convenience used by the English when it suits their needs. These days used mostly when they want to lay claim to successful sports persons that hail from the other home nations. Although, they can't even be bothered to do that any more. As witnessed recently when former tennis great Sue Barker declared whilst commentating on the BBC that Andy and Jamie Murray had just sealed victory for England in a Davis Cup quarter final. 

"Britain" is not a term of convenience, it's what the country and empire is called. Even the English don't call it "The English Empire"

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20 hours ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Nah, that's definitely a myth. Just like the one about the Irish being stupid. I had to go live there to find that out for myself though. 

The Irish are only made out to be stupid, so the English can understand them.

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20 minutes ago, 3183 Dee said:

The Irish are only made out to be stupid, so the English can understand them.

Hi 3183. I don't think I've found myself so out of my depth about so many topics of conversation than I did when I lived there. 

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6 hours ago, Orion said:

"Britain" is not a term of convenience, it's what the country and empire is called. Even the English don't call it "The English Empire"

Hi Orion. Britain isn't a country. It's a union of four supposed "equal" partners that are treated like colonies by the bully in the playground that makes up 85% of the population but with almost none of the natural resources required to fund the interest payments on it's eye watering debt. In the context of Empire the term British is used in this instance to spread the blame instead of take ownership of it. As I've said, they're only British when it suits them. 

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2 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Hi Orion. Britain isn't a country. It's a union of four supposed "equal" partners that are treated like colonies by the bully in the playground that makes up 85% of the population but with almost none of the natural resources required to fund the interest payments on it's eye watering debt. In the context of Empire the term British is used in this instance to spread the blame instead of take ownership of it. As I've said, they're only British when it suits them. 

Rab, I have no time for the English. My real name (don't tell anyone, is Stewart) having Scottish heritage I have a distrust of the English so I hear you mate 👍 

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4 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Rab, I have no time for the English. My real name (don't tell anyone, is Stewart) having Scottish heritage I have a distrust of the English so I hear you mate 👍 

Hi ManDee. I actually have a lot of time for them and having lived there for a lot of years find so many little things about them endearing and their countryside to die for. This is perhaps on an individual rather than a collective sense but even so it means there's a helluva lot of individuals there that I like. What I find frustrating however is when they ask for justification for reasons that make them difficult to like and we can reel twenty of them off the tongue they don't want to listen because it's far easier for them to just keep saying we hate them for no reason. 

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