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24 minutes ago, old dee said:

Hi everyone I posted the link below I hope it works. It is about the fans when the World cup winners tried to do a city tour. I cannot imagine this happening in Australia  for anything. I have said in the past I don't understand Soccer/ fans.

What happened in Argentina involved millions of people and wasn't safe for the bus to continue.

Don't think soccer is alone with celebrations going a bit haywire from time to time though. 

When Richmond won the flag police had to block off traffic to Swan Street. There were brawls, property damage, people dancing on cars, flares being lit, people climbing buildings, people lighting stuff on fire - people smashing bottles. 

Plenty of examples in America of teams winning the Superbowl, World Series, NBA finals etc and acting up as well. 

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3 minutes ago, roy11 said:

What happened in Argentina involved millions of people and wasn't safe for the bus to continue.

Don't think soccer is alone with celebrations going a bit haywire from time to time though. 

When Richmond won the flag police had to block off traffic to Swan Street. There were brawls, property damage, people dancing on cars, flares being lit, people climbing buildings, people lighting stuff on fire - people smashing bottles. 

Plenty of examples in America of teams winning the Superbowl, World Series, NBA finals etc and acting up as well. 

Its obviously me Roy11 I just don't get it. we waited 50+ years and I Had no desire  to run a muck.

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1 hour ago, old dee said:

If AFL was played by billion globally you would see the same stuff. Are you aware of what life is like in Argentina? the economic and social issues?  Football is more than a sport, it represents hope and something to escape their lives. Millions attended and did not riot, but of course the story is the ones who did. Poverty and large crowds can lead to this. There is nothing intrinsic in football that makes people riot, the issue is much bigger than that

A remarkable turn out, shows how much it means to them.

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47 minutes ago, old dee said:

Its obviously me Roy11 I just don't get it. we waited 50+ years and I Had no desire  to run a muck.

did you see the Tigers on Swan street? and that was just 20-30 thousand fans.  can you imagine 4 million?  there'll always be issues with a crowd that size

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2 hours ago, old55 said:

 

 

I'm unconvinced that aberrant behaviour at soccer matches is limited to the "fringe element" and "the dregs of society".  It doesn't sound consistent with the type of measures required at Philips Stadion as referenced above and at many other soccer stadia in the world.  If indeed the problem is just with a small minority of supporters then the game should be able to police this.

Hi old55. Having been to a fair few games in various parts of Europe I think it is actually just a small proportion of people that are responsible for the sort of scenes witnessed the other night. Although small in number they aim to cause maximum disruption baiting others to react. It’s exactly what happened at a game we played down in Geelong the other year where I know the people involved would have been mouthing off at Geelong supporters  until it triggered a reaction because they do it every week.
 

A seperate issue can be the sort of  inappropriate singing that goes on be it homophobic songs aimed at Brighton fans, anti semetic ones against Spurs supporters, anti catholic ones against Celtic etc that you really don’t want your kids to hear. A lot of it is genuinely creative and funny though so again it’s the exception rather than the rule. 

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2 hours ago, Supermercado said:

As I said in the post above the culture of the sport has glorified [censored] mob behaviour like no other. This is a stain on the game but it's not representative of the entire sport and the literally thousands of games that take place every week around the world with no crowd trouble inside or (more often) outside the ground. Your theory that they get a bit bored and decide to brawl/rip a flare that would have stayed in the pocket if they were watching (what you perceive to be) a more exciting game is so ludicrous it's painful to argue.

Sorry to cause you pain Superm, but rather than saying it's too ludicrous to argue, you might try arguing the point.  I agree it's not representative of the entire game, but isn't it odd that so many professional leagues have violence problems.  Why did the culture of the sport glorify crowd violence like no other?  Why did it happen?  I just say  while there are lots of factors, the nature of the game is one significant factor.   I can't prove it, but just dismissing it as ludicrous is a cop out.

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13 hours ago, old dee said:

That's one of the reasons I like it. Action a plenty. However I enjoy the live game much better than TV. IMO it is similar to Aussie rules. Much better live than on tv. The sad part for me is going to games is not as easy as it used to be, I have had to get used to the TV version. 

I don't know 'old dee', it seems to me that one team has the ball...they run down the court & score then the other team gets it and does the same.

Occasional one team stuffs it up and the team that stuffs up the least wins.

Not too exciting at all really.

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I wonder what boots all the AFL players wear theses days?

I wonder which country and continent the Adidas and Puma factories hail from?

Is it still ankle boot lace ups? or perhaps the AFL Puma boot that Jason Dunstall use to promote and never wore and for good reason.

AFL, amateur and grassroots players nationwide seem to like the look and feel of the "soccer" designed boots theses days or for the past 40 years.

Puma King

Adidas Copa Mundials 

Nike Tiempo

Adidas Predator

Asics Gel

I could go on........

I think the AFL has alot to thank soccer for, because if it wasnt for soccer designed technology, your favourite Demons Clayton Oliver, Christian Petracca, Bayley Fritsch etc. wouldn't be running around in the latest Nike Tiempo's designed and worn by some of the "Enemies" greatest players.

AFL takes alot of ideas from the NFL "Yanks" but the players seem to prefer the "Enemies" designed equipment.

Im sure those shoulder pads and helmets would come in handy with AFL club logos on them.......

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9 hours ago, rjay said:

I don't know 'old dee', it seems to me that one team has the ball...they run down the court & score then the other team gets it and does the same.

Occasional one team stuffs it up and the team that stuffs up the least wins.

Not too exciting at all really.

As you said each to his own.

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On 12/21/2022 at 4:44 AM, mo64 said:

Huh? So why did you make the comment that "popular does not always equal the best", if not to imply there are better games? If so, what are the better games?

 

You seem to be fixated on this, how about make up your own mind what the best game is for you... that's not for me to decide for you.  I was commenting on why soccer is popular world wide. 

 

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16 hours ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

I wonder what boots all the AFL players wear theses days?

I wonder which country and continent the Adidas and Puma factories hail from?

Is it still ankle boot lace ups? or perhaps the AFL Puma boot that Jason Dunstall use to promote and never wore and for good reason.

AFL, amateur and grassroots players nationwide seem to like the look and feel of the "soccer" designed boots theses days or for the past 40 years.

Puma King

Adidas Copa Mundials 

Nike Tiempo

Adidas Predator

Asics Gel

I could go on........

I think the AFL has alot to thank soccer for, because if it wasnt for soccer designed technology, your favourite Demons Clayton Oliver, Christian Petracca, Bayley Fritsch etc. wouldn't be running around in the latest Nike Tiempo's designed and worn by some of the "Enemies" greatest players.

AFL takes alot of ideas from the NFL "Yanks" but the players seem to prefer the "Enemies" designed equipment.

Im sure those shoulder pads and helmets would come in handy with AFL club logos on them.......

This is a very unusual post. Soccer players also work ankle high boots back in the day. I don’t know what AFL players wearing soccer boots has to do with anything. Strange line of argument 

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I've been looking at the Melbourne Victory's website.

They put out a statement and another from the league 5 days ago. Since then nothing. They play the incident by giving nothing, and probably hoping it blows itself away after they learn the sanctions the league may hand to them sometime today. Put the options on the table, give the fans some warning about possible changes to game day and crowd controls.

The members are not included in the behind door discussions that must be going on after such disturbing actions in that abandoned match. They will get their sanctions and then inform us of the game day protocols.

Lack of dialogue with the grassroots is the problem.

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Sanctions are in:

 Victory members cannot go to matches.

Other teams members can attend, but no general day tickets will be sold.

Active supporter areas will be closed.

The FA also suggest these are interim measures and more sanctions will happen post the investigations.

https://melbournevictory.com.au/news/club-statement-melbourne-victorys-response-to-football-australias-show-cause-process

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8 hours ago, kev martin said:

I've been looking at the Melbourne Victory's website.

They put out a statement and another from the league 5 days ago. Since then nothing. They play the incident by giving nothing, and probably hoping it blows itself away after they learn the sanctions the league may hand to them sometime today. Put the options on the table, give the fans some warning about possible changes to game day and crowd controls.

The members are not included in the behind door discussions that must be going on after such disturbing actions in that abandoned match. They will get their sanctions and then inform us of the game day protocols.

Lack of dialogue with the grassroots is the problem.

Pretty sure that the club was told by FFA not to make any comments. It seems fair enough given the investigations are ongoing, and more sanctions could occur. 

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12 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Pretty sure that the club was told by FFA not to make any comments. It seems fair enough given the investigations are ongoing, and more sanctions could occur. 

I think that is the problem. No comments or dialogue with the fans, whether the club, FFA, or APL.

I reckon it is best to get a dialogue happening with all. Rumours, social networks, media are full of opinions. Get the clubs and administrator to communicate two ways with the fans. I believe this simple courtesy would minimised the need of the masses to demonstrate using those outrageous actions.

Create an open, transparent administration. Closed makes problems. Why can't we read the "show cause" that Victory sent to FA, or be involved in any other club discussions. Can't see the harm it would do.

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Membership holders still get to attend. Looks like they've been flogged with a wet lettuce leaf by the APL. Next three home games should be played behind closed doors with all travelling support banned at away games for the same duration. I'm an ex Victory member but this needs to be stamped out now for good. Unless they're intent on kicking more own goals they also need to ensure that no state league sides introduced to any second division when it's created has any ethnic affiliation or they'll be laying the groundwork for a repeat of what just happened. 

 

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10 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Membership holders still get to attend.

 Home members only, meaning Victory is the away team against Western United on boxing day at AAMI, so Victory supporters can't attend only WU members can attend.

The Victory's members can attend v Brisbane, 6th Jan at AAMI, but no daily sales to casual spectators. It will be highly supervised by police and "Marshalls".

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23 hours ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

This is a very unusual post. Soccer players also work ankle high boots back in the day. I don’t know what AFL players wearing soccer boots has to do with anything. Strange line of argument 

Unusual but true KITP, pretty sure they wore Ankle high boots in Rugby also. Without World Football innovation AFL Football would be years behind.

That was my point KITP. 👉

Certain parts of society just can't handle the connotations of the World game.

Don't get it twisted though I love both AFL Football and World Football.

I understand people don't like it for whatever reason but tend to voice it with the usual [censored] every 4 years around the same time a certain tournament is being played. 

Those idiots that ran on the field and caused harm to others Saturday night deserve what they get, lets get that straight.

Don't understand the bigotry toward the game to be honest, alot of training, tactical and innovational practices are highly sought after.

AFL Coaches, Fitness Guru's, Management increase their learnings to emulate their overseas counterparts.

Just go and ask our Premiership Fitness Guru Darren Burgess the amount he has learnt from the World Game.

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1 hour ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Membership holders still get to attend. Looks like they've been flogged with a wet lettuce leaf by the APL. Next three home games should be played behind closed doors with all travelling support banned at away games for the same duration. I'm an ex Victory member but this needs to be stamped out now for good. Unless they're intent on kicking more own goals they also need to ensure that no state league sides introduced to any second division when it's created has any ethnic affiliation or they'll be laying the groundwork for a repeat of what just happened. 

 

If they haven't worked it out now Rab they never will without going to deep into it, what were the police doing and thinking in regards to patrolling the outside of the ground?

Instead of around the playing perimeter of the stadium especially behind the Victory End! Absolute farcical. 

The safety of the Players and Fans is absolutely paramount, i still dont understand it.

Its the attention to detail that has hurt the sport on a number of occasions. Who ever was or is in charge of stadium security and Policing should have been sacked that night.

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