COVID & AFL 2021

[Macca 17,007]

This 'delta' variant of Covid has changed things again.  Highly contageous and the tracing of that strain and the other strains has gone skew-whiff as well

Until they get on top of the shoddy quarantine conditions we can expect more of the same anyway.  Another outbreak is right around the corner even if we hit zero cases

But we'll need to get to zero cases and maintain zero for 3 or 4 days (at least) in order to come out of lockdown in my view

Fingers crossed we get on top of it all but the overseas models tell us that countries who come out of lockdown too early end up going back into lockdown as the numbers explode again

As for the footy crowds in Victoria ... the numbers were already down and I'm reckoning that the numbers would fall even further with people not wanting to take their chances on contracting the disease

It could be worse ... shortened games, shortened season, no crowds at all. This time around the teams may not have to hub and with a number of States the teams from Victoria can fly in and fly out.  And play in front of crowds of some description

Edited June 5, 2021 by Macca

[daisycutter 29,622]

8 hours ago, Macca said:

This 'delta' variant of Covid has changed things again.  Highly contageous and the tracing of that strain and the other strains has gone skew-whiff as well

Until they get on top of the shoddy quarantine conditions we can expect more of the same anyway.  Another outbreak is right around the corner even if we hit zero cases

But we'll need to get to zero cases and maintain zero for 3 or 4 days (at least) in order to come out of lockdown in my view

Fingers crossed we get on top of it all but the overseas models tell us that countries who come out of lockdown too early end up going back into lockdown as the numbers explode again

As for the footy crowds in Victoria ... the numbers were already down and I'm reckoning that the numbers would fall even further with people not wanting to take their chances on contracting the disease

It could be worse ... shortened games, shortened season, no crowds at all. This time around the teams may not have to hub and with a number of States the teams from Victoria can fly in and fly out.  And play in front of crowds of some description

thanks brett..........that really cheered me up

[Kent 2,912]

On 6/4/2021 at 1:17 PM, Superunknown said:

Vic has just announced they have the Indian (Delta) variant and don't know where it came from....

Errrrrr India??

[deanox 9,943]

9 minutes ago, Kent said:

Errrrrr India??

The name is just the first place it was identified as a separate strain. It could have mutated elsewhere then been found in India, andI think there has been a lot in the UK?

[Macca 17,007]

6 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

thanks brett..........that really cheered me up

Yeah but you're hard to please anyway, lets face it. If I had have just had a big moan about Covid would that have made you happy? 

At your age you should have learnt how to shut out the stuff you don't care for.  Use the ignore feature or skim past

My posts aren't aimed at people like you anyway, you're too far gone.  I can't remember a time when you offered up anything of any substance.  Just peurile attempts at humour (and you're not funny) 

Reality is that my projected outcome over the next few weeks should be looked at as a positive

As previously stated, Covid could be spread Australia wide and if that happens you may not get much footy at all

So don't be an ingrate

 

 

[daisycutter 29,622]

1 minute ago, Macca said:

Yeah but you're hard to please anyway, lets face it. If I had have just had a big moan about Covid would that have made you happy? 

At your age you should have learnt how to shut out the stuff you don't care for.  Use the ignore feature or skim past

My posts aren't aimed at people like you anyway, you're too far gone.  I can't remember a time when you offered up anything of any substance.  Just peurile attempts at humour (and you're not funny) 

Reality is that my projected outcome over the next few weeks should be looked at as a positive

As previously stated, Covid could be spread Australia wide and if that happens you may not get much footy at all

So don't be an ingrate

 

 

amazing......demonland seems to have more epidemiologists than deakin university has professors

 

[Macca 17,007]

22 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

amazing......demonland seems to have more epidemiologists than deakin university has professors

 

You're private little world has been interrupted by a very deadly disease.  Take it seriously

So stop complaining about it and get on with it.  It's not going away in a hurry so face up to some realities

As previously stated,  be grateful that you've got footy in any capacity

[daisycutter 29,622]

3 minutes ago, Macca said:

You're private little world has been interrupted by a very deadly disease.  Take it seriously

So stop complaining about it and get on with it.  It's not going away in a hurry so face up to some realities

As previously stated,  be grateful that you've got footy in any capacity

where was i specifically complaining about "it'?

what makes you think i don't take "it" seriously?

where have i shown any lack of gratitude re footy availability?

really macca,  did you have too many nasty pills for brekkie?

[Macca 17,007]

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

where was i specifically complaining about "it'?

what makes you think i don't take "it" seriously?

where have i shown any lack of gratitude re footy availability?

really macca,  did you have too many nasty pills for brekkie?

No that's not it

It's the amount of whinging that goes on about the lockdown and those who don't take Covid seriously enough 

You want good news don't open up this thread but if you do take a look,  expect people like me to post in the way I do

And then don't make smart alec remarks as your only way of adding to the conversation

Try posting up something intelligent for once

Have you got anything to say about Covid or do you prefer to cross your fingers, close your eyes and wish it all away

Good luck with that

[daisycutter 29,622]

Just now, Macca said:

No that's not it

It's the amount of whinging that goes on about the lockdown and those who don't take Covid seriously enough 

You want good news don't open up this thread but if you do take a look,  expect people like me to post in the way I do

And then don't make smart alec remarks as your only way of adding to the conversation

Try posting up something intelligent for once

Have you got anything to say about Covid or do you prefer to cross your fingers, close your eyes and wish it all away

Good luck with that

laughable

i only reflected on your wall of text post, proclaiming yourself as a quasi expert on virology, in a light-hearted manner

you shouldn't take yourself so seriously

have a nice day

[Macca 17,007]

5 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

laughable

i only reflected on your wall of text post, proclaiming yourself as a quasi expert on virology, in a light-hearted manner

you shouldn't take yourself so seriously

have a nice day

As is the case with many threads here but this one in particular ... too much whinging and not enough analysis.  The woe-is-me crowd abounds

Mirrors the game day threads

My analysis probably stands out to the feeble-minded as I'm one of the few here making any sort of attempt

And I'm certainly no expert, my thoughts are only opinions, not facts

And I don't see you offering up anything other than taking people to task for stuff that you don't particularly like

Keep sniping away dc ... I suppose you have to be good at something

[dl4e 5,851]

On 6/4/2021 at 1:17 PM, Superunknown said:

Vic has just announced they have the Indian (Delta) variant and don't know where it came from....

From the mouths of politicians throwing panic at us.

[Superunknown 4,217]

8 minutes ago, dl4e said:

From the mouths of politicians throwing panic at us.

I guess these decisions are risk management. If others wish to view through another prism - be it New World Order or otherwise so be it - the comment was merely pointing to potential implications apropos opening early/crowds at QBW.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

12 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Really hoping crowds will be allowed for our game against Essendon on 26 June.

We’re onto something special this year and it’s such a shame that we have to watch the games at home.

Does 4 cases a day warrant a multiple week lock down?

If 100% of cases are linked or there are no mystery / non-linked cases at all I'm not quite sure why we have to continue in lockdown and why the QB (say at 50% capacity) has been cancelled.

We should be coming out of SNAP lockdown by Weds.  The risks are now miniscule surely.  Unfortunately this Gov continues to over play the threat well past any minor risk has long since passed and those infected or potentially infecting other close contacts are being managed and the bulk of them isolating.

Snap in....snap out once the risk has passed and it's under control?

Edited June 6, 2021 by Rusty Nails

[Macca 17,007]

It's not rocket science ... whilst we're having these outbreaks of the disease we either have lockdowns or the disease will quickly get out of control

We could end up like the large majority of countries around the world ... very quickly. 

Hospitals crammed full of patients on ventilators,  tens of thousands contracting the disease and numerous deaths

Who wants that?

Now I know that looks like the words of a politician or a health expert but the evaluation is based on common sense and logic.  And we have a super-large sample size as evidence (the rest of the world)

Preventative measures such as limiting overseas flights or much stricter quarantine conditions should be in operation but that is not happening (it should do but that's your clueless politicians on both sides of politics at work)

None of us can accurately predict the future with regards to new cases of Covid but the Government in Victoria is not going to lift the lockdown conditions unless a target number is met for a certain length of time (zero?) 

In the meantime, the footy goes on with crowds elsewhere (out of Victoria)

With many countries, sport has been played in front of empty stands for over 12 months

We've actually been quite lucky

Ironically, the AFL have been on the front foot with regards to their own lockdown measures ... ahead of the Vic Govt. in fact

[layzie 33,863]

9 minutes ago, Macca said:

It's not rocket science ... whilst we're having these outbreaks of the disease we either have lockdowns or the disease will quickly get out of control

We could end up like the large majority of countries around the world ... very quickly. 

Hospitals crammed full of patients on ventilators,  tens of thousands contracting the disease and numerous deaths

Who wants that?

It’s like the general public feel that because this country did so well compared to Europe, UK etc that we’re just safe as houses now and barring the odd cluster or hotspot here and there we’ll be fine. 

If nothing else this is a huge wake up call that this thing can come from anywhere. Even if protocols are followed to the letter.

[Demon Disciple 12,180]

Lockdowns are not the answer, vaccinations are.

Unfortunately with the shambolic roll out of the vaccines, we are currently between a rock and a hard place.o

[Macca 17,007]

2 minutes ago, layzie said:

It’s like the general public feel that because this country did so well compared to Europe, UK etc that we’re just safe as houses now and barring the odd cluster or hotspot here and there we’ll be fine. 

If nothing else this is a huge wake up call that this thing can come from anywhere. Even if protocols are followed to the letter.

The real issue are the lack of preventative measures (international flights allowed & shoddy quarantine conditions)

Cause & effect but the concentration is on the A-end of the problem.  Lockdowns

It's like umpiring in footy ... the game is now near impossible to adjudicate and we set up the umpires to fail.  We then blame the umpires for not doing their job properly

A toxic environment results

2 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Lockdowns are not the answer, vaccinations are.

Unfortunately with the shambolic roll out of the vaccines, we are currently between a rock and a hard place.o

Agreed (in part)

Vaccinations should be the absolute focus ... a huge advertising campaign should be undertaken.  Get any number of high profile people telling us to get the jab

But in the meantime the immediate aim is to stop the spread of the disease.  Lockdowns are necessary as a result of poor governance.  Otherwise we could end up like the UK or the USA.  Not so much India as they have their unique issues

I feel for those who are deeply effected by these lockdowns but what choice do we have? 

[Wrecker46 2,997]

11 hours ago, Macca said:

 

Fingers crossed we get on top of it all but the overseas models tell us that countries who come out of lockdown too early end up going back into lockdown as the numbers explode again

 

Australia has a moat around it. NSW take the lion share of overseas travellers in quarantine. They don't keep going into lockdown. 

The Australian moat modelling show that every other state has been locked down for 6 days on average.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Macca said:

Yeah but you're hard to please anyway, lets face it. If I had have just had a big moan about Covid would that have made you happy? 

At your age you should have learnt how to shut out the stuff you don't care for.  Use the ignore feature or skim past

My posts aren't aimed at people like you anyway, you're too far gone.  I can't remember a time when you offered up anything of any substance.  Just peurile attempts at humour (and you're not funny) 

Reality is that my projected outcome over the next few weeks should be looked at as a positive

As previously stated, Covid could be spread Australia wide and if that happens you may not get much footy at all

So don't be an ingrate

 

 

I actually thought DaisyC was being serious. I loved your post because it is a perfect blend of realism and measured optimism. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

36 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Lockdowns are not the answer, vaccinations are.

Unfortunately with the shambolic roll out of the vaccines, we are currently between a rock and a hard place.o

Not necessarily...

...One variant of concern, called B.1.617.2, was first identified in India and is spreading rapidly in the United Kingdom, raising worries that it could be unusually transmissible. Public Health England has determined that two doses of either the Pfizer–BioNTech or the Oxford–AstraZeneca vaccines are 88% and 60% effective, respectively, at preventing symptomatic disease caused by this variant...

End quote.

Then there's the issue or how long will each vaccine last?  6 months?  A year?  Maybe less?   Jury is still out and in depth studies in to each vaccine will be needed before we even know this...and against each of the variants.

No doubt vaccines are helpful but they're still not the holy grail to fully opening up and an end to this mess.

Edited June 6, 2021 by Rusty Nails

[Macca 17,007]

3 minutes ago, Wrecker46 said:

Australia has a moat around it. NSW take the lion share of overseas travellers in quarantine. They don't keep going into lockdown. 

The Australian moat modelling show that every other state has been locked down for 6 days on average.

 

 

Well the reason the disease got out of control the first time was the outbreak from the cruise liners berthed in Sydney

People with the disease were allowed to simply walk off the boat

Then we had the farcical quarantine blunder in Victoria where amongst other broken safeguards,  security staff were freely mingling with those who had disease

The lockdown in February was caused by a broken quarantine measure up North ... not long after, the disease hit Victoria again

And now this latest outbreak came from SA where a person who didn't have the disease was residing in a quarantine hotel right next door to people who did have the disease.  Caught the disease and then spread the disease throughout Melbourne

The same thing happened in Perth last week but luckily that person remained in quarantine before mingling with the rest of society.  The WA Govt got lucky

All presided over by various governments from both sides of politics

It pays not to take sides Wrecker.  Unless you're good at defending the indefensible

The Vic Govt are the worst though.  I've got no faith that they are going to get it right

[Wrecker46 2,997]

4 minutes ago, Macca said:

Well the reason the disease got out of control the first time was the outbreak from the cruise liners berthed in Sydney

People with the disease were allowed to simply walk off the boat

Then we had the farcical quarantine blunder in Victoria where amongst other broken safeguards,  security staff were freely mingling with those who had disease

The lockdown in February was caused by a broken quarantine measure up North ... not long after, the disease hit Victoria again

And now this latest outbreak came from SA where a person who didn't have the disease was residing in a quarantine hotel right next door to people who did have the disease.  Caught the disease and then spread the disease throughout Melbourne

The same thing happened in Perth last week but luckily that person remained in quarantine before mingling with the rest of society.  The WA Govt got lucky

All presided over by various governments from both sides of politics

It pays not to take sides Wrecker.  Unless you're good at defending the indefensible

The Vic Govt are the worst though.  I've got no faith that they are going to get it right

It's funny (sad) how all the states get a cheif health officer (unelected) that gives the "health advise" the government want.

[Macca 17,007]

7 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I actually thought DaisyC was being serious. I loved your post because it is a perfect blend of realism and measured optimism. 

If he had have explained himself a bit better that argument never happens

But it's good to see that as a result, some serious debate is eventuating

The thread is a super serious one unfortunately.  If people want some light relief they should stay away

But it could easily extend to a left wing vs right wing argument and we don't need that

We've been lucky compared to the rest of the world but the political parties on both sides here in Australia have failed (in my view)

See my above post for more detail.  A

Again, it's just an opinion but there's a good lacing of the truth (unless people truly believe that our quarantine measures in all the States have been perfect)

The connection to the footy is that large crowds probably won't be happening in Victoria in the foreseeable future

But the hubs won't be necessary if the various States continue to allow the teams to fly in and fly out (for the time being, until the lockdown is lifted)

[Macca 17,007]

19 minutes ago, Wrecker46 said:

It's funny (sad) how all the states get a cheif health officer (unelected) that gives the "health advise" the government want.

That's politics for you ... appoint people who side with their views

I just can't take any of them seriously

We could eventually end up with a change of government in Victoria but what change would we see?  

We need to stop importing the disease.  And in the meantime, get vaccinated and get the quarantine conditions ship-shape

Do all that (and more) and we've got a chance

 

Edited June 6, 2021 by Macca