POSTGAME: Practice Match vs Richmond

[58er 6,681]

1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

I disagree. I've never understood the criticism of ANB. he is hard, moves well, decent enough disposals and his decision making is ok. he also hits the scoreboard. There's a lot of players I criticise but ANB has never been one of them. His form in 2017 showed me that he has already succeeded as an afl mid. He basically got moved out on to a flank since then. 

Hunt got a 2 year extension because we were the slowest team in the comp. Not that hard to figure out really. 

Sorry DD 
You have picked out all Kossies little faults as a 19 yo player with years ahead of an exciting future.

And at the same time are ignoring the repeated weaknesses with ANB explaining he is played out of position . I am certain there are Many more Dees fans like me who are tired of ANB's continual skill errors and unfulfilled potential.

Those that criticised Jack Watts amaze me when ANB seems to be just put up with and tolerated.

As you say it's all about expectations and Jack and you now with Kossie make  first rounders free game Because of this. When it's all said and done after you join a Club your Draft pick no. Is irrelevant as to your ability. You may earn more of course snd that's what it's you so you unfairly criticise these early draftees for IMO.

[Turner 1,516]

2 hours ago, 58er said:

Sorry DD 
You have picked out all Kossies little faults as a 19 yo player with years ahead of an exciting future.

And at the same time are ignoring the repeated weaknesses with ANB explaining he is played out of position . I am certain there are Many more Dees fans like me who are tired of ANB's continual skill errors and unfulfilled potential.

Those that criticised Jack Watts amaze me when ANB seems to be just put up with and tolerated.

As you say it's all about expectations and Jack and you now with Kossie make  first rounders free game Because of this. When it's all said and done after you join a Club your Draft pick no. Is irrelevant as to your ability. You may earn more of course snd that's what it's you so you unfairly criticise these early draftees for IMO.

this couldn't be more obvious right now than at NM, will phillips everyone expected to walk in and deliver in their midfield instead Powell, Lozarro and Ford were picked ahead and spicer is equally in the mix as new draftees

[58er 6,681]

7 minutes ago, Turner said:

this couldn't be more obvious right now than at NM, will phillips everyone expected to walk in and deliver in their midfield instead Powell, Lozarro and Ford were picked ahead and spicer is equally in the mix as new draftees

But u miss the point DrD There are no guarantees for immediate or long term performances fir high  draft positions and you should Understand this.
 

They are all footballers and human beings and are not robots. The NMFC recruits after 3/4 preseason is not a snap shot of all their regular form once the real games start.

You are placing too much pressure on high draft picks especially if they don't look good immediately Or are not up to your expectations.

 

[dazzledavey36 55,458]

5 hours ago, Dr.D said:

I disagree. I've never understood the criticism of ANB. he is hard, moves well, decent enough disposals and his decision making is ok. he also hits the scoreboard. There's a lot of players I criticise but ANB has never been one of them. His form in 2017 showed me that he has already succeeded as an afl mid. He basically got moved out on to a flank since then. 

Hunt got a 2 year extension because we were the slowest team in the comp. Not that hard to figure out really. 

So many things wrong about this post that again you need to be called out once again. This also proves time and time again your lack of footy judgement and knowledgeable 

I find it bizarre that you continue to pot a first year player in Kozzy Pickett, yet more then willing to accept a plodder in Alex Neal Bullen the benefit of the doubt. He is a average player who like Oscar McDonald has been gifted far too many games time and time over the journey,  and one of the key reason we've been an average side of the last few years because we continue to carry average plodders like ANB and Oscar. It's only last year that Goodwin finally woke up to Oscar, hopefully he'll wake up to ANB.

And for your information, ANB did not play midfield back in 2017. This was the year Goodwin played him in that high half forward role. You're making up stuff just for the sake of it and have the stats and proof to provide that further.

At the end of the year I expect the likes of Bailey Laurie, Charlie Spargo and Kade Chandler to go straight past ANB because that will mean we've improved further as a team. I didn't name Kozzy because he's already sped straight past him as a player.

Edited March 2, 2021 by dazzledavey36

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Was just reading that stK have been practising standing  5m ‘outside’ of the man-on-the-mark zone instead of actually manning the mark. You can move freely there. Didn’t see that in our practice match.  An interesting move. Feels counter to the spirit of the rule though so I kinda hope the AFL make it 10m+ to give the team with the ball an advantage if players try to do this

[Dr.D 1,771]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

So many things wrong about this post that again you need to be called out once again. This also proves time and time again your lack of footy judgement and knowledgeable 

I find it bizarre that you continue to pot a first year player in Kozzy Pickett, yet more then willing to accept a plodder in Alex Neal Bullen the benefit of the doubt. He is a average player who like Oscar McDonald has been gifted far too many games time and time over the journey,  and one of the key reason we've been an average side of the last few years because we continue to carry average plodders like ANB and Oscar. It's only last year that Goodwin finally woke up to Oscar, hopefully he'll wake up to ANB.

And for your information, ANB did not play midfield back in 2017. This was the year Goodwin played him in that high half forward role. You're making up stuff just for the sake of it and have the stats and proof to provide that further.

At the end of the year I expect the likes of Bailey Laurie, Charlie Spargo and Kade Chandler to go straight past ANB because that will mean we've improved further as a team. I didn't name Kozzy because he's already sped straight past him as a player.

LOL. In 2017, he came 11th in the best and fairest and in 2018 he came 13th. So considering all of these flaws that you say, the club internally rated him highly. So who is right?  You or the experts at the club? Unless he has had a dramatic fall off in form during the peak of his career. I rest my case really. 

I'm not sure what you see in Kozzy. Did you not see how he slips over at every contest? And his kicking for goal has been dreadful. I actually think he will be a decent enough player because he offers speed but other than speed I've seen no goal sense or an ability to slow down and have composure. 

Come back to me when Kozzie has 2x best and fairest finishes as high as 11th and 13th.  At this stage, he's purely untapped potential. 

[forever demons 2,253]

On 3/1/2021 at 4:28 PM, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Great clearance by Oliver, but the real hero in this passage is Harmes.
Starts the clip with a block on Cotchin, then blocks the tagger pursuing on Oliver.
2 blocks in 4 seconds - clearance, goal.

May be maturity and selflessness, may be the the influence of Yze as midfield coach, but this is the type of teamwork we need to see more of.

 

Watched that a few times great work by Harmes thats why he should play that role its where he has shown his best form

[dazzledavey36 55,458]

5 hours ago, Dr.D said:

LOL. In 2017, he came 11th in the best and fairest and in 2018 he came 13th. So considering all of these flaws that you say, the club internally rated him highly. So who is right?  You or the experts at the club? Unless he has had a dramatic fall off in form during the peak of his career. I rest my case really. 

I'm not sure what you see in Kozzy. Did you not see how he slips over at every contest? And his kicking for goal has been dreadful. I actually think he will be a decent enough player because he offers speed but other than speed I've seen no goal sense or an ability to slow down and have composure. 

Come back to me when Kozzie has 2x best and fairest finishes as high as 11th and 13th.  At this stage, he's purely untapped potential. 

LOL so he played 18 games in 2017 and didn't finish top 10 in the best and fairest in a team that didn't play finals. Played 23 games in 2018 and was worse by finishing 13th. That on average is a poor finish by someone that played all year. Again proving how silly you look here. Finishing 11th and 13th in a best and fairest is not something to be proud of. 

Me like many other on here see great potential in Kozzie because he showed talent in his first year of AFL football on the back of a season where there was basically no VFL team to develope and living in a suitcase. 

If you want to go back on best and fairest results, where Alex Neal Bullen finish in 2019 and 2020?? In fact between Kozzie and ANB where did they both finish last year on comparable?

Edited March 2, 2021 by dazzledavey36

[dazzledavey36 55,458]

5 hours ago, Dr.D said:

LOL. In 2017, he came 11th in the best and fairest and in 2018 he came 13th. So considering all of these flaws that you say, the club internally rated him highly. So who is right?  You or the experts at the club? Unless he has had a dramatic fall off in form during the peak of his career. I rest my case really. 

I'm not sure what you see in Kozzy. Did you not see how he slips over at every contest? And his kicking for goal has been dreadful. I actually think he will be a decent enough player because he offers speed but other than speed I've seen no goal sense or an ability to slow down and have composure. 

Come back to me when Kozzie has 2x best and fairest finishes as high as 11th and 13th.  At this stage, he's purely untapped potential. 

Kysaiah Pickett is also expected to feature in that round one clash against Fremantle, with the exciting small forward to return to Victoria on Sunday having flown to Perth last month for a family bereavement.

"Kysaiah will be back Sunday from Perth. Obviously, it's really tragic circumstances with his mother. He's been doing a lot of training away from the footy club, with some help over there from some people that are specialists. We're really confident that 'Kozzy' will be up and available for round one."

Good to see the experts rate kozzy highly  enough to let him slide straight into our round 1 side on the back of missing a month of AFL training hey Doc..

[deelusions from afar 1,868]

6 hours ago, forever demons said:

Watched that a few times great work by Harmes thats why he should play that role its where he has shown his best form

What I'm interested to see is what happens when Viney and Brayshaw come back - who goes out?  From last year you'd say Sparrow and Jordan.

But this role that Harmes plays in the centre square is what Viney seemed to do for much of last year - particularly if you have Oliver and Petracca as the other players in there.

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On 3/1/2021 at 4:16 PM, Bay Riffin said:

great post. Harmes was bagged but had by far the greatest challenge on the ground, often under extreme pressure. he did cough it up early but teammates weren't in the right position for him. He is an ace in the sleeve for Goodwin and if he doesn't play him as a run with tagger we will be worse off for it. 

 

 

 

Any other day in the season, with bloody poser, pseudo intellectual Cotchin he would have been given a fifty and a goal.

[Dr.D 1,771]

6 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Kysaiah Pickett is also expected to feature in that round one clash against Fremantle, with the exciting small forward to return to Victoria on Sunday having flown to Perth last month for a family bereavement.

"Kysaiah will be back Sunday from Perth. Obviously, it's really tragic circumstances with his mother. He's been doing a lot of training away from the footy club, with some help over there from some people that are specialists. We're really confident that 'Kozzy' will be up and available for round one."

Good to see the experts rate kozzy highly  enough to let him slide straight into our round 1 side on the back of missing a month of AFL training hey Doc..

I'd also put Kozzie in the team if he was fit. But that's because we're bloody slow and we need his speed. He sure as hell isn't going to help us kick a score though. He spends more time slipping over than keeping his feet.  

Your argument for the 11th and 13th in the best and fairest makes literally no sense. He played more games because he earnt his spot in the team. An 11th and 13th finish is an 11th and 13th finish, there's no other factors to go into it. Games played isn't a factor. Because the more games you played the more it highlights how important he was to the team in those years.  So let me know when Kozzie finishes 11th and 13th ok

[Deestar9 1,712]

9 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

I'd also put Kozzie in the team if he was fit. But that's because we're bloody slow and we need his speed. He sure as hell isn't going to help us kick a score though. He spends more time slipping over than keeping his feet.  

Your argument for the 11th and 13th in the best and fairest makes literally no sense. He played more games because he earnt his spot in the team. An 11th and 13th finish is an 11th and 13th finish, there's no other factors to go into it. Games played isn't a factor. Because the more games you played the more it highlights how important he was to the team in those years.  So let me know when Kozzie finishes 11th and 13th ok

We are now not a “slow” team. Even Balme & Gale acknowledged the fact after our practice game both saying “we were noticeably quicker”. That was without Pickett. You seem to be pedantic for the sake of it. I think ANB is a solid contributor & also seems to be a very popular team mate but unless he has a form resurgence...I can see a few other up & comers replace him. When Tim Lamb was talking about Sparrow, Chandler & Jordan ..he mentioned how they are now 3 year players with lots of upside . Pickett is just coming into his second season & I believe he has enormous upside & can’t understand the harsh judgment so early . I would prefer to take Jordan Lewis’s opinion than someone who spouts pretty meaningless stats !! 

[forever demons 2,253]

38 minutes ago, Deestar9 said:

We are now not a “slow” team. Even Balme & Gale acknowledged the fact after our practice game both saying “we were noticeably quicker”. That was without Pickett. You seem to be pedantic for the sake of it. I think ANB is a solid contributor & also seems to be a very popular team mate but unless he has a form resurgence...I can see a few other up & comers replace him. When Tim Lamb was talking about Sparrow, Chandler & Jordan ..he mentioned how they are now 3 year players with lots of upside . Pickett is just coming into his second season & I believe he has enormous upside & can’t understand the harsh judgment so early . I would prefer to take Jordan Lewis’s opinion than someone who spouts pretty meaningless stats !! 

SO THERE ,and loud stamp of foot,then storm out of room in a huff

Edited March 3, 2021 by forever demons
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[Turner 1,516]

16 hours ago, Dr.D said:

LOL. In 2017, he came 11th in the best and fairest and in 2018 he came 13th.

that screams i played most-every game and therefore accumulated votes on merit without actually doing anything of note

6 hours ago, deelusions from afar said:

What I'm interested to see is what happens when Viney and Brayshaw come back - who goes out?  From last year you'd say Sparrow and Jordan.

But this role that Harmes plays in the centre square is what Viney seemed to do for much of last year - particularly if you have Oliver and Petracca as the other players in there.

from friday's side to round 1 i suspect it will be

OUT: Baker, Jetta, ANB 

IN: Brayshaw, Hibberd, Pickett

and jones for viney the following week or maybe an underwhelming chandler? which would be disappointing imo

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41 minutes ago, Turner said:

that screams i played most-every game and therefore accumulated votes on merit without actually doing anything of note

from friday's side to round 1 i suspect it will be

OUT: Baker, Jetta, ANB 

IN: Brayshaw, Hibberd, Pickett

and jones for viney the following week or maybe an underwhelming chandler? which would be disappointing imo

Why are those three automatic  inclusions? First two have been injured and may end up with limited preparations. Picket has not been involved for a month. I would want all three to show good form in a game, at present there is little info to suggest that will happen. 

[Dr.D 1,771]

8 hours ago, Deestar9 said:

We are now not a “slow” team. Even Balme & Gale acknowledged the fact after our practice game both saying “we were noticeably quicker”. That was without Pickett. You seem to be pedantic for the sake of it. I think ANB is a solid contributor & also seems to be a very popular team mate but unless he has a form resurgence...I can see a few other up & comers replace him. When Tim Lamb was talking about Sparrow, Chandler & Jordan ..he mentioned how they are now 3 year players with lots of upside . Pickett is just coming into his second season & I believe he has enormous upside & can’t understand the harsh judgment so early . I would prefer to take Jordan Lewis’s opinion than someone who spouts pretty meaningless stats !! 

Wow, Balme and Gale. 2 guys that probably see about 5% of the games that I see.  2 guys that don't even know the club, make a comment about a practice match in Cranbourne that meant nothing. I think we are quicker, but we are still pretty slow.  

And for the record, T.Rivers showed a truck load more talent in his first season than Pickett. So it's got nothing to do with having unrealistic expectations on first year players. It's just that Pickett showed a lot of traits that I didn't like. 

[58er 6,681]

4 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Wow, Balme and Gale. 2 guys that probably see about 5% of the games that I see.  2 guys that don't even know the club, make a comment about a practice match in Cranbourne that meant nothing. I think we are quicker, but we are still pretty slow.  

And for the record, T.Rivers showed a truck load more talent in his first season than Pickett. So it's got nothing to do with having unrealistic expectations on first year players. It's just that Pickett showed a lot of traits that I didn't like. 

Sorry DRD but you notice a friend losing weight if you only see them every 3 months but not so much if you do every week.

Clearly in pace and ball movement our effort last Friday vs Tiges was a level above that effort on our  last MCG clash just before the Hub commencement.

Thst has nothing to do with what effort the opposition puts out.

And as judges over the period I would trust Balmy and Gale in these comments.

Lets see if we look fast vs Dogs on Monday.

[John Demonic 5,870]

2 hours ago, 58er said:

Lets see if we look fast vs Dogs on Monday.

I'm only interested in how we look after half time, after last year ! Finished your half time nap this time lads??

Edited March 3, 2021 by John Demonic

[dazzledavey36 55,458]

17 hours ago, Dr.D said:

I'd also put Kozzie in the team if he was fit. But that's because we're bloody slow and we need his speed. He sure as hell isn't going to help us kick a score though. He spends more time slipping over than keeping his feet.  

Your argument for the 11th and 13th in the best and fairest makes literally no sense. He played more games because he earnt his spot in the team. An 11th and 13th finish is an 11th and 13th finish, there's no other factors to go into it. Games played isn't a factor. Because the more games you played the more it highlights how important he was to the team in those years.  So let me know when Kozzie finishes 11th and 13th ok

You didn't answer my question. 

Where did they both finish In the BnF last year?

[NeveroddoreveN 1,034]

9 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Wow, Balme and Gale. 2 guys that probably see about 5% of the games that I see.  2 guys that don't even know the club, make a comment about a practice match in Cranbourne that meant nothing. I think we are quicker, but we are still pretty slow.  

And for the record, T.Rivers showed a truck load more talent in his first season than Pickett. So it's got nothing to do with having unrealistic expectations on first year players. It's just that Pickett showed a lot of traits that I didn't like. 

(2) Kysaiah Pickett 2020 Highlight Reel - YouTube

Perhaps a little harsh on Pickett....he has some amazing traits for a 1st year player that we have not seen in a long time.  He will get better and be super important player for us.  The only trait i seen that i do not like is that he gives away too many frees from being little over zealous and not quite steadying for shots on goal.  Kid will be a gun though, your comments will look pretty silly as he develops.  Can only imagine what you think of the duds that have played for us.  Kossie certainly aint one of them!

[Dr.D 1,771]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

You didn't answer my question. 

Where did they both finish In the BnF last year?

Pickett came 14th and ANB not in the top 20.  Not sure what youre getting at. I've always said ANB is being played out of position since his 2017/18 season anyway so....

[Dr.D 1,771]

1 hour ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

(2) Kysaiah Pickett 2020 Highlight Reel - YouTube

Perhaps a little harsh on Pickett....he has some amazing traits for a 1st year player that we have not seen in a long time.  He will get better and be super important player for us.  The only trait i seen that i do not like is that he gives away too many frees from being little over zealous and not quite steadying for shots on goal.  Kid will be a gun though, your comments will look pretty silly as he develops.  Can only imagine what you think of the duds that have played for us.  Kossie certainly aint one of them!

I think Pickett will always be the guy with an amazing highlights package. But if there was a lowlights reel he would also have a very long one. I'm not getting sucked in to the highlights. I want at the very least a goal a game this year. 

[dazzledavey36 55,458]

2 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Pickett came 14th and ANB not in the top 20.  Not sure what youre getting at. I've always said ANB is being played out of position since his 2017/18 season anyway so....

You're now just making up excuses.

[Dr.D 1,771]

6 hours ago, 58er said:

Sorry DRD but you notice a friend losing weight if you only see them every 3 months but not so much if you do every week.

Clearly in pace and ball movement our effort last Friday vs Tiges was a level above that effort on our  last MCG clash just before the Hub commencement.

Thst has nothing to do with what effort the opposition puts out.

And as judges over the period I would trust Balmy and Gale in these comments.

Lets see if we look fast vs Dogs on Monday.

Yeah, you realise we have Ben Brown, Viney, Brayshaw, Melksham and maybe Jetta to add into the team.  That's 5/22 players that aren't quick. So don't worry, I'm not reading anything into a practice match. You should know better.