Most draft boards have us taking Carroll - Who's a good friend of Rivers. Always welcome additions that are left foot tidy kicks and go home factor somewhat less with a good friend at the club (See Brisbane Lions recent model).

  On 08/12/2020 at 03:29, Dannyz said:

Most draft boards have us taking Carroll - Who's a good friend of Rivers. Always welcome additions that are left foot tidy kicks and go home factor somewhat less with a good friend at the club (See Brisbane Lions recent model).

Yes firstly he’s got all the AFL qualities. Then the East Freo connection to LJ and Riv. That’s the plan. Wait and see now. 

I've seen rumoured the Crows and Giants to do a swap of their first rounders where Adelaide would send 9 and 22 to the giants for 13 and 15. This deal would be good for us because it means Laurie probably gets through to our pick since the Giants are the big threat of taking him at 15, obviously with that pick out of the picture hopefully Laurie would get through.

For what very little it's worth, Carroll follows the MFC on Instagram 

Edited December 8, 20204 yr by adonski

  On 08/12/2020 at 03:36, Gawndog98 said:

I've seen rumoured the Crows and Giants to do a swap of their first rounders where Adelaide would send 9 and 22 to the giants for 13 and 15. This deal would be good for us because it means Laurie probably gets through to our pick since the Giants are the big threat of taking him at 15, obviously with that pick out of the picture hopefully Laurie would get through.

Yes agree that would be a better scenario for us to get Laurie. Another footballer type who uses the footy. That’s what we are after. Youngsters who can execute with the footy and not create turnovers that kill us. 

  On 08/12/2020 at 03:29, Dannyz said:

Always welcome additions that are left foot tidy kicks and go home factor somewhat less with a good friend at the club (See Brisbane Lions recent model).

I reckon the go home factor is overstated DZ.

How many players drafted from WA actually end up going home? There’s only the 2 teams over there. And Freo isn’t exactly a destination club. When Kelly had the option of Freo in 2019 he turned them down so the home sickness can’t have been that bad. Hogan of course went back but has left again. McCarthy went back and that was a disaster. Bennell didn’t work out. Rory Lobb is a good pick-up for Freo but GWS didn’t try too hard to keep him.

So you really only need to worry about West Coast and they still have to trade if they want a player.

I don’t think go home factor should not be a consideration when selecting a player. If the team is successful the WA players will stay put.

  On 08/12/2020 at 04:22, Better days ahead said:

I reckon the go home factor is overstated DZ.

How many players drafted from WA actually end up going home? There’s only the 2 teams over there. And Freo isn’t exactly a destination club. When Kelly had the option of Freo in 2019 he turned them down so the home sickness can’t have been that bad. Hogan of course went back but has left again. McCarthy went back and that was a disaster. Bennell didn’t work out. Rory Lobb is a good pick-up for Freo but GWS didn’t try too hard to keep him.

So you really only need to worry about West Coast and they still have to trade if they want a player.

I don’t think go home factor should not be a consideration when selecting a player. If the team is successful the WA players will stay put.

It's a genuine myth. 'Homesickness' sounds better than 'I'm leaving because I can' so it's dished up as an excuse.

  On 08/12/2020 at 04:22, Better days ahead said:

I reckon the go home factor is overstated DZ.

How many players drafted from WA actually end up going home? There’s only the 2 teams over there. And Freo isn’t exactly a destination club. When Kelly had the option of Freo in 2019 he turned them down so the home sickness can’t have been that bad. Hogan of course went back but has left again. McCarthy went back and that was a disaster. Bennell didn’t work out. Rory Lobb is a good pick-up for Freo but GWS didn’t try too hard to keep him.

So you really only need to worry about West Coast and they still have to trade if they want a player.

I don’t think go home factor should not be a consideration when selecting a player. If the team is successful the WA players will stay put.

Very few players leave good clubs, with the exception of GWS. And very few leave after only 2 years. So it's rare that you lose a guy before he's even had a chance to perform. If you're 50/50 split between local and interstate then go local, but it wouldn't be the number 1 tie breaker to me. 

I think the Scott Thompson, Jeff Farmer and the many years of will Jesse Hogan go back, means us Dees supporters are worried about the go home factor.  But you have pick the best kid and then hope you have a good footy program, plus on field success.  

Matt Balmer's has lobbed, has us taking the jazz ensemble Carroll, Cook and Bowey!

Full AFL phantom draft: Every pick by every club predicted by our draft expert

I’d be pretty stoked with that outcome. Plenty of pace, good skills by foot.

More reference to our interest in (& work on) Max Holmes. Intriguing.

"Looking for outside run, creative players, good decision makers, good ball users"

  On 08/12/2020 at 06:03, goodoil said:

Matt Balmer's has lobbed, has us taking the jazz ensemble Carroll, Cook and Bowey!

Full AFL phantom draft: Every pick by every club predicted by our draft expert

Yes.  That would be a great result especially to land Jack Carroll and Brayden Cook. 

  On 08/12/2020 at 07:30, adonski said:

"Looking for outside run, creative players, good decision makers, good ball users"

I think we are in good hands. JT has done very well over the years to build the list. @adonski the great part was as you quoted - “looking for outside run, creative players, good decision makers, good ball users”.  

Via AFL.com

Another player to watch will be Finlay Macrae, with the potential for the younger brother of Western Bulldogs star Jack to slide through to the later stages of the first round as Richmond and Melbourne track him closely with their top-20 picks.  

AFL Draft Central's phantom draft (1st round only):

https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/2020/12/08/2020-draft-central-phantom-draft-first-round-prediction/

Remember when Burgo used to give us a phantom draft with a prediction for every selection through to the last?

  On 08/12/2020 at 06:03, goodoil said:

Matt Balmer's has lobbed, has us taking the jazz ensemble Carroll, Cook and Bowey!

Full AFL phantom draft: Every pick by every club predicted by our draft expert

That would just be about my dream result I reckon. Although I'm hoping for Macrae to somehow sneak through to us.

  On 08/12/2020 at 10:04, ChaserJ said:

AFL Draft Central's phantom draft (1st round only):

https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/2020/12/08/2020-draft-central-phantom-draft-first-round-prediction/

Remember when Burgo used to give us a phantom draft with a prediction for every selection through to the last?

That's two phantoms that have us taking Carroll and Cook.

Also what's happened to Seamus Mitchell? Doesn't seem to be factored into any phantoms drafts that I can see and doesn't rate a mention in Cal's whispers for later selections among any clubs. Slipped back into late/rookie territory?

The Age -

22. Melbourne

Max Holmes (wingman)
Sandringham Dragons/East Malvern/Melbourne Grammar, 189cm, 74kg

The Dees have been keen for more run, targeting Isaac Smith as a free agent, and appear increasingly likely to pounce on Holmes, the son of dual Olympian and Commonwealth Games gold medallist Lee Naylor. Melbourne have also been linked to possible bids on academy Errol Gulden (Sydney) and Blake Coleman (Brisbane).

23. Melbourne

Ryan Angwin (medium forward/defender)
Gippsland Power/Foster FC, 184cm, 72kg

Beyond the top 20 the draft appears to open up considerably. Another perceived bolter, Angwin is a beautiful left-foot kick who could help the Dees by providing another creative ball user to what still looks a blue-collar outfit at times. Meanwhile rival clubs expect Melbourne, along with Adelaide, to consider trading a second-round selection.

  On 08/12/2020 at 10:12, adonski said:

The Age -

22. Melbourne

Max Holmes (wingman)
Sandringham Dragons/East Malvern/Melbourne Grammar, 189cm, 74kg

The Dees have been keen for more run, targeting Isaac Smith as a free agent, and appear increasingly likely to pounce on Holmes, the son of dual Olympian and Commonwealth Games gold medallist Lee Naylor. Melbourne have also been linked to possible bids on academy Errol Gulden (Sydney) and Blake Coleman (Brisbane).

23. Melbourne

Ryan Angwin (medium forward/defender)
Gippsland Power/Foster FC, 184cm, 72kg

Beyond the top 20 the draft appears to open up considerably. Another perceived bolter, Angwin is a beautiful left-foot kick who could help the Dees by providing another creative ball user to what still looks a blue-collar outfit at times. Meanwhile rival clubs expect Melbourne, along with Adelaide, to consider trading a second-round selection.

I know we've been linked with Angwin previously, and he has ability, but 1st round seems high and every likelihood that he's on the board at pick 28 (which we reportedly want to trade out). The buzz around Holmes seems very strong now, reminiscent of the momentum that built behind Oliver.

So where's the Holmes footage at?

  On 08/12/2020 at 10:20, adonski said:

So where's the Holmes footage at?

You can watch him play here - he is number 64 and doesn't play a gamestyle most of the phantoms are describing, plays more a midsize marking role, rather than a runner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU2LCzGPd5o&t=5365s

First involvement is at the 41:50s mark and he is reasonably prominent for most of the game as a high half-forward

Miles Bergman - last year first rounder - and a few draft chances are also playing - Jake Bowey, Jackson Callow and Lachie Carrigan among others.

 

Edited December 8, 20204 yr by goodoil

  On 08/12/2020 at 10:27, goodoil said:

You can watch him play here - he is number 64 and doesn't play a gamestyle most of the phantoms are describing, plays more a midsize marking role, rather than a runner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU2LCzGPd5o&t=5365s

First involvement is at the 41:50s mark and he is reasonably prominent for most of the game as a high half-forward

Miles Bergman - last year first rounder - and a few draft chances are also playing - Jake Bowey, Jackson Callow and Lachie Carrigan among others.

 

Watched about 20 mins for two turnovers

  On 08/12/2020 at 10:27, goodoil said:

You can watch him play here - he is number 64 and doesn't play a gamestyle most of the phantoms are describing, plays more a midsize marking role, rather than a runner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU2LCzGPd5o&t=5365s

First involvement is at the 41:50s mark and he is reasonably prominent for most of the game as a high half-forward

Miles Bergman - last year first rounder - and a few draft chances are also playing - Jake Bowey, Jackson Callow and Lachie Carrigan among others.

 

I've only watched a brief bit of that footage but the main thing that stood out for me was how clean and composed Bowey is.  Would love to have him in our colours if he can bring that to AFL level.